Quick PY Question

Originally posted by Ruscoe Both very different boats though arnt they!  A wooden Phantom would get spanked by a 300, but a modern Phantom is lighter with more sail area!  No wonder its pretty much as fast.

Rs 300 is narrower on waterline too. Much less was at a guess.
Doesn't mean it's a perfect shape.
Also the hull will pick up a lot of windage,
The rig is pretty nasty too, whereas the phant nowadays has a very refined and high tech tech rig which is a fair bit closer to the deck.

Originally posted by sargesail ]For what it's worth I don't see the 300 as a bandit -

I hope I didn't give that impression, the reason I chose the 300 as a suitable bench mark was precisely because by now the folk who use them would be practised at it, they use it to a standard, it's not a boat clouded with lipstick glory hunters and it's been constant since I've been around.

In my time the Phantom grew because of it's handicap as has the Streaker and probably the Solo, has it always been like this? Dinghiests clamouring for handicap bandits or is it a relatively new phenomenon?

Anyway that's not the point for discussion, the point I'm trying to make is that there needs to be a given null point or the whole scale will expand up and down with no basis in an absolute performance unit by which to judge a boat in real terms. How can the speed of a Laser that has been basically the same thing vary from 1078 to what is it now 1110 the sail juice lot are running it at?

Originally posted by iGRF so it would be fare to say the handicap is on the money?

Originally posted by Daniel Holman Rs 300 is narrower on waterline too. Much less was at a guess. Doesn't mean it's a perfect shape. Also the hull will pick up a lot of windage, The rig is pretty nasty too, whereas the phant nowadays has a very refined and high tech tech rig which is a fair bit closer to the deck.

Edited by rb_stretch - 10 Jan 13 at 8:40pm