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Presuming Ed ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 641 |
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Of course, you haven't specified "under RRS only", so we have to include IRPCAS.
So; overtaking fishing under sail a vessel not under command; a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver; constrained by draught
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Brass ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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I don't think there is any obligation to 'keep clear' in IRPCAS
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Andymac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Apr 07 Location: Derbyshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 852 |
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Should have seen that one coming... The smart answer... and the kid in the Oppie
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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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Acquiring right of way Capsized boat When she needs to gybe around a mark When not sailing a proper course and the other boat is on another leg. When the Port tacker is the pathfinder in a gate start! While gybing in a match race. |
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ohFFsake ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 Sep 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 219 |
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Yep, got most of the ones on my list, except that no-one's mentioned the one I thought was the most obvious and is therefore top of my list!
1. When P is eligible for mark room at a downwind mark (18.2 & 18.4) 2. When P is eligible for room at an obstruction (19.2) 3. When S has just acquired right of way and P is unable to avoid her (15) 4. When S is altering course in a way which would prevent P from being able to keep clear (16.1) 5. When S is ROW but would cause damage to P not keeping clear (14) 6. When S is not racing and P is (23.1) 7. When S has the wind free and it is dark (col regs apply at night?) 8. When P is capsized, anchored, aground or rescuing (22) 9. When S is in the process of taking a penalty (21.2) 10. When S is in the process of returning to re-start after being OCS (21.1) 11. When S is sailing backwards (21.3) 12. When P is on another leg, and S is not sailing her proper course (23.2) Any more? |
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Brass ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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1. When P is eligible for mark room at a downwind mark (18.2
& 18.4) S is required to give mark-room: giving mark-room is not the same as keeping
clear. 2. When P is eligible for room at an obstruction (19.2) S is required to give room: giving room is not the same as keeping clear 3. When S has just acquired right of way and P is unable to
avoid her (15) S is required to give room: giving room is not the same as keeping clear. 4. When S is altering course in a way which would prevent P
from being able to keep clear (16.1) S is required to give room: giving room is not the same as keeping clear. 5. When S is ROW but would cause damage to P not keeping clear
(14) S is required to avoid contact. Avoiding contact is not the same as keeping
clear. 6. When S is not racing and P is (23.1) S is required to 'not interfere': not interfering is not the same as keeping
clear 7. When S has the wind free and it is dark (col regs apply at
night?) COLREGS haven't given a starboard boat sailing downwind
rights over a port tacker close hauled for about 50 years. 8. When P is capsized, anchored, aground or rescuing (22) S is required to avoid:
avoiding is not the same as keeping clear 9. When S is in the process of taking a penalty (21.2) Yup. 10. When S is in the process of returning to re-start after
being OCS (21.1) Yup 11. When S is sailing backwards (21.3) Yup 12. When P is on another leg, and S is not sailing her proper
course (23.2) S is required to 'not
interfere': not interfering is not the
same as keeping clear |
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ohFFsake ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 Sep 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 219 |
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As ever, the Devil is in the detail! Perhaps my question would be better worded along the lines of:
"In what situations would a port tack boat not be required to keep clear of one on Starboard?"
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Brass ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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If your question had been 'In what circumstances may a port tack boat that does not keep clear of a boat on starboard not be penalised?' Your answer would have worked better.
Edit: this post crossed with OhFFSake's preceding post. Edited by Brass - 06 Dec 12 at 9:59pm |
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Brass ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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Maybe the better question would have been 'In what circumstances may a port tack boat that does not keep clear of a boat on starboard not be penalised?'
It's about precise use of language, not necessarily detail.
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ohFFsake ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 Sep 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 219 |
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I agree that your definition is better, but it's putting the emphasis on the wrong boat! What I was trying to come up with was a list of situations where the rules place the onus on S to avoid P (be it by keeping clear, giving room or whatever), as a way of making people think a bit about their obligations and not just their rights.(It also doesn't cover the rule 14 case...)
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