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    Posted: 04 Dec 12 at 7:27am
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Well, that's the idea.  I find that the wake starts making more noise which makes me think I am going faster but that might just be the flat bow digging in...  Give it a try anyway! 
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cheers Nick- so you kite it over, a bit like an Oppy to reduce the WSA?
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Jimbo, I agree with Russ' advice except in light airs downwind, I find it quick to sit forward of the thwart and sail the boat on the windward chine, (but I may be a bit lighter than you.)  It does get wobbly unless you have some plate down. You need good bungee tension to keep the boom out to leeward.  And do avoid looking up at the birgee constantly or the boat starts rocking and irritatingly goes faster. Wink
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Rupert, I never really had a big problem in a Solo on Flat water.  I can't comment on the chines but i would suggest they must help.  I wouldnt be brave enough to do it on the salty stuff in any decent breeze.  I am by no means a top sailor either but i found this much faster Dead down wind in the Solo.  You can get a bit of a woble on, but nothing like some of the rounder hull shapes.  I wouldn't do it in a Laser as an example, but then again you can't.

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nope the boat speed is so slow you get enough time to react, and not spill your horlicks/knock the cherry off your fag/drop your snickers bar into the cockpit...
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Putting the board all the way up (so it is in the box totally?) sounds like an ace way of death rolling in a Lightning or a Firefly, Russ - do the chines in a Solo stop that?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pondmonkey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Nov 12 at 12:36pm
Thanks Guys- especially Jim, gybe towards the middle of the next gust, yep, I can see myself remembering that one (a bit like Clive's "chase dark water baby").  

And Russ thanks for the technique tips, no offence taken.  I've always discovered that getting the plate up is essential, and I'm working on where to sit so I don't spill my Horlicks when sailing downwind.  LOL
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Not that I have spent any real time in a Supernova, but from what I have heard and seen the shroud base is quite far aft and as such you won’t get the boom anywhere near 90deg as such you will only get the top of the leech by the Lee and I should imagine this is not quick.  The Supernovas seem to gybe DDW. 

 

Jimbo as for the Solo (I am no expert but have spent plenty of time in one over the years) you can sail a Solo by the Lee as the shrouds are loose and you can almost get the boom out 90deg, but you will need to dump any kicker to get near.  I only ran by the Lee in short transitions to either bear down a wave or change lane.  It never paid to soak so low for prolonged amounts of time.  Please take this as how it’s meant and not how it sounds (we are similar weights) you will as a bigger bloke get slapped all over the lake downwind in all conditions other than see sailing where your extra weight can help maneuver the boat a drive it harder.  For us bigger blokes in the Solo, when sailing dead downwind inland lift the board all the way (I mean all of the way pop a little down when you want to turn) I played the kicker to control the leech down wind, just small amounts.  Most important is where you sit, too far forward you will hear the noise from the bow too far back you will kick up a hell of a wash which you will see through the transom flaps.    I would also check your rake mate.  There is a fashion to run with the mast foot all the way forward and sail the boat like a Finn (Matt Howard way)  but inland I would sail with the mast more upright in virtually all winds (as in the old Jim hunt tuning guide) IMHO with the mast raked massively you lose out downwind, not a problem so much on the see where your hull movement is as important if not more so but inland I think it really does not help with downwind speed so keep your mast more upright mate.  Also run the mainsheet 1-1 downwind so you can sheet (read Pump) the main quickly!

 


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Originally posted by pondmonkey

how do the good guys spot a shift downwind?  

Not being one of the good guys I can't really comment, but I do have what I find is a useful rule of thumb for the direction changes associated with gusts. It originates with Bethwaite's writing I think.

A gust is really an eddy coming down from up in the air, and when it hits the surface it tends to radiate out into the slower wind wround it, no matter what the actual angle of the gust compared to the natural wind. If you stand on a highish point and watch the ripples you can see this happening. So because the gust is angling out, that means you'll be headed (which is what you want) sailing towards the middle of the gust.

When that gust starts dying out then you need to be looking for where the next one is forming, and be heading towards the middle of that one. So if all else is equal I'll always try and gybe towards the centre of the next gust.

Obviously there's about 100 times more to it than that, but that's something I find I can remember while I'm sailing.
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