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Lukepiewalker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1341 |
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And my glasses always steamed up too. I don't think I ever enjoyed a run in my life. boo... down with running!!!
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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I've only ever sailed a Supernova a couple of times, but I did find it important where you sat, it has a funny rocker, someone told me it was based on a cut down 505, anyway, the thing is not for it to make any noise off the stern (water swishing). I did all that kicker off, I also did what we do with boards off wind and dumped the downhaul (cunningham). I pulled more tension on the forestay, my logic was to get the rig more vertical off wind.
I got it going fast enough to overtake a Laser I was racing at the time downwind, but I'd never know if was fast or slower than a differently set up Supernova since we only have the one in our club. |
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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okay at the risk of exposing my muppet sailing credentials (again), how do the good guys spot a shift downwind? Obviously I can tell once it's happened, but the guys at the front seem to be able to read it and plan a strategy with it, rather than just reacting to it after the event.
What are they looking for? Pressure changes? Angles of wavelets? Leech flutter? Or is just a cyclical sixth sense, jedi-tastic sailing skill set that I might as well accept is well off my radar?
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661 |
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Not being one of the good guys I can't really comment, but I do have what I find is a useful rule of thumb for the direction changes associated with gusts. It originates with Bethwaite's writing I think. A gust is really an eddy coming down from up in the air, and when it hits the surface it tends to radiate out into the slower wind wround it, no matter what the actual angle of the gust compared to the natural wind. If you stand on a highish point and watch the ripples you can see this happening. So because the gust is angling out, that means you'll be headed (which is what you want) sailing towards the middle of the gust. When that gust starts dying out then you need to be looking for where the next one is forming, and be heading towards the middle of that one. So if all else is equal I'll always try and gybe towards the centre of the next gust. Obviously there's about 100 times more to it than that, but that's something I find I can remember while I'm sailing. |
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Ruscoe ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1514 |
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Not that I have spent any real time in a Supernova, but from what I have heard and seen the shroud base is quite far aft and as such you won’t get the boom anywhere near 90deg as such you will only get the top of the leech by the Lee and I should imagine this is not quick. The Supernovas seem to gybe DDW. Jimbo as for the Solo (I am no expert but have spent plenty of time in one over the years) you can sail a Solo by the Lee as the shrouds are loose and you can almost get the boom out 90deg, but you will need to dump any kicker to get near. I only ran by the Lee in short transitions to either bear down a wave or change lane. It never paid to soak so low for prolonged amounts of time. Please take this as how it’s meant and not how it sounds (we are similar weights) you will as a bigger bloke get slapped all over the lake downwind in all conditions other than see sailing where your extra weight can help maneuver the boat a drive it harder. For us bigger blokes in the Solo, when sailing dead downwind inland lift the board all the way (I mean all of the way pop a little down when you want to turn) I played the kicker to control the leech down wind, just small amounts. Most important is where you sit, too far forward you will hear the noise from the bow too far back you will kick up a hell of a wash which you will see through the transom flaps. I would also check your rake mate. There is a fashion to run with the mast foot all the way forward and sail the boat like a Finn (Matt Howard way) but inland I would sail with the mast more upright in virtually all winds (as in the old Jim hunt tuning guide) IMHO with the mast raked massively you lose out downwind, not a problem so much on the see where your hull movement is as important if not more so but inland I think it really does not help with downwind speed so keep your mast more upright mate. Also run the mainsheet 1-1 downwind so you can sheet (read Pump) the main quickly!
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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Thanks Guys- especially Jim, gybe towards the middle of the next gust, yep, I can see myself remembering that one (a bit like Clive's "chase dark water baby").
And Russ thanks for the technique tips, no offence taken. I've always discovered that getting the plate up is essential, and I'm working on where to sit so I don't spill my Horlicks when sailing downwind.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Putting the board all the way up (so it is in the box totally?) sounds like an ace way of death rolling in a Lightning or a Firefly, Russ - do the chines in a Solo stop that?
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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nope the boat speed is so slow you get enough time to react, and not spill your horlicks/knock the cherry off your fag/drop your snickers bar into the cockpit...
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Ruscoe ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1514 |
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Rupert, I never really had a big problem in a Solo on Flat water. I can't comment on the chines but i would suggest they must help. I wouldnt be brave enough to do it on the salty stuff in any decent breeze. I am by no means a top sailor either but i found this much faster Dead down wind in the Solo. You can get a bit of a woble on, but nothing like some of the rounder hull shapes. I wouldn't do it in a Laser as an example, but then again you can't.
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NickM ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 27 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 328 |
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Jimbo, I agree with Russ' advice except in light airs downwind, I find it quick to sit forward of the thwart and sail the boat on the windward chine, (but I may be a bit lighter than you.) It does get wobbly unless you have some plate down. You need good bungee tension to keep the boom out to leeward. And do avoid looking up at the birgee constantly or the boat starts rocking and irritatingly goes faster.
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