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    Posted: 20 Nov 12 at 10:22am
Originally posted by Alex Newton-Southon

we are very pleased to be working with Ian Teasdale and Kevin Driver at "The Boatyard at Beer" to build the RS300, RS600 and  RS700.

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What great news, both that you can get a proper boat built in the UK again and the price reduction.  Albeit a far cry from where the marketed price used to be (please correct me if i am wrong RS)  RBstretch whats wrong with the 300 rig?  How heavy are you?  There are some very big boys sailing the 300 who are at a guess a fair bit bigger than 100kg.  I myself was 95kg at my heaviest in the 300.  I never had an issue with the mast bending in anyway other than how it was designed?!  Its a really rewarding boat to sail and has one of the broadest competitive weight ranges of any single hander.
 
As for Jims comments about dealers ringing round trying to find out which garage has what coulor in stock.  Those days now seem somewhat numbered.  Most if not all vehicles are factory orders now.  It wasnt so long ago that some of my customers were waiting 3 months for Vauxhall Corsa orders to be fulfilled.  Although granted no mass produced car is truelly bespoke, much like the list of the 3 RS classes.  They are all the same OD dinghy just you can pick a colour and have a choice of 2 fittings manufacturers.  Bespoke to me is having my own Canoe or Moth built to my build spec.

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Really good to hear that a) they are still being built and b) being built in the UK.
 
BUT...come on RS, it's hardly a "custom" colour (more an option of a limited menu) if you offer a small selection of "other" colours, saying that it's a damn site better then the boring RS "battleship grey" they have been using the last few years.
 
Come on RS...you can do better then that!
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Originally posted by gbr940

Really good to hear that a) they are still being built and b) being built in the UK.
 
BUT...come on RS, it's hardly a "custom" colour (more an option of a limited menu) if you offer a small selection of "other" colours, saying that it's a damn site better then the boring RS "battleship grey" they have been using the last few years.
 
Come on RS...you can do better then that!


You are a prime example of why a free reign on colour isn't always a good idea! Wink
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For me the stand out boat on that list is the 600.  That really looked like good value.  However i cant help but think that RS and the association are missing a trick.  The 600 is starting to look old, its aged poorly compared to the rest of the fleet.  for me now would be the time to give it a new lease of life.  How about an upgrade sail?  Perhaps like the version the used on the FF only cut to work on a slower boat.  Imagine how good a dark grey or black (deck and hull) 600 would look with a fat head main in a dark cloth!  Bit like what we saw on the 900.  As with the 300 and 400 argument the cloth used in the sails is now limited to a few classes and as such expesnsive.  So you may even be able to reduce the cost further, albeit after taking into account development costs.  It could also be a cheap (ish) upgrade to an older boat.
 

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Never seen those sails before... They look good!
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Originally posted by Ruscoe

RBstretch whats wrong with the 300 rig?  How heavy are you?  There are some very big boys sailing the 300 who are at a guess a fair bit bigger than 100kg.  I myself was 95kg at my heaviest in the 300.  I never had an issue with the mast bending in anyway other than how it was designed?!  Its a really rewarding boat to sail and has one of the broadest competitive weight ranges of any single hander.
 
 
I'm 95kg myself and only sailed the 300 once in probably only a force 3. The hull itself was fantastic and felt effortlessly quick. Despite it's reputation didn't find any challenges tacking or gybing (but the lack of non-slip really didn't help). So I really like the boat.
 
The rig however was a shock in comparison. Soon as you put any kicker or mainsheet on the whole rig get's pulled back a lot and with hardly any hiking bends off to leeward dramatically. This together with the quite significant luff curve and a leech that doesn't seem to twist correctly just makes the whole sail feel dead and unresponsive to me. The rig gets locked in position and it doesn't tell you what you should be doing with it. The nearest comparison I can think of is the Rooster 8.1 rig which also has a mast too flexible for the sail area and feels similarly dead.  Maybe the rig presents a better side when you get overpowered as generally you get more feel with the extra wind.
 
I think I've been spoilt with a Phantom which in my mind has a beautifully responsive rig and just about the best feel on any mainsail I've tried on any dinghy. You really know what the sail is doing, like it is talking to you. My first comment on returning the 300 to the owner was that I would love to try a Phantom-like rig on a 300!
 
Does this sound alien to 300 users, cause I would love to be proved wrong.
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Stretch.  it does sound a bit alien to me.  The 300 rig is bendy (as are most unstayed carbon rigs) You are right the rig will bend when you apply kicker and mainsheet tension, more so than your Phantom which will do the same but obviously has stays to control the bend.  You need to preset the kicker primary lines to prebend the mast the 300 has an elasticate bolt rope to allow for the flexible mast the right kicker tension is critical in helping flatten off the sail.  As is mainsheet tension.  it can be easy in my experience to oversheet the boat and stall out the sail.  In light airs the leech is hooked and the sail looks IMO awful.  But in about a F3 whenthe boat is powered up the leech works well the mast is very light and bendy towards the top of the rig and you get a reasonable exhaust from the leach when you hike and a gust hits.  All in all the rig works very well IMO, it has plenty of power but does need a bit of work to set up properly.  Its more to feel and time in the boat where as the Phantom you can get some fast numbers and get the boat dialled more easily.  Also there were a batch of 3's which had dodgy rake, i beleive this was fixed fairly quickly but if you tried one of them i can imagine it wouldnt feel very satisfying.
 
I agree with you around the 8.1 i didn't like it at all, the boat felt out of balance and the sail felt awful, but i only sailed one a few times so it was probably yme not giving it enough time to learn the ropes so to speak.

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Originally posted by AlexM

Never seen those sails before... They look good!
Dont they, i would expect the sails to be a different cut given that a FF would be travelling at some what different speeds to the standard 6, but you get what i am tryign to say.
 
If you could build a dark grey (all one colour) 6, with basically that sail design it would IMO give the class the new lease of life it deserves.  Imagine that at the dinghy show with Maffolli ropes and a redesigned sail emblem, getting away fromt he very 90's look of botht he boat and the sail emblem.  I for one would certainly think about buying a £2k boat and upgrading the sail.  I'm sure others may even be convinced to buy a new boat if the support for the class was to shaken up by the manufacturer and the association.

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as a big 600 fan and ex class rep i would agree with ruscoe but as the rig works well along with the sail i would say why? maybe just change the colour of sail cloth not the shape or design and if they start looking to develop it the price would go up ?

i would love the to see some one buy a new 600 and if the numbers did pick up i think i would go back 

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