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Sheetpuller ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 22 Feb 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 114 |
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Solo's a great boat. That's why it's survived as long as it has. Unfortunately for the likes of GRF, those of us over the age of thirty aren't going to dry up and blow away and we need something to sail too!
I'm considering getting another singlehander, and whilst I haven't yet made up my mind a Solo certainly isn't off the 'possibles' list!
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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Despite his outward appearance, Graeme's still in his 'dinghy sailing adolescence'. Once that sh*t's out his system he can come back to sailing a well mannered, popular boat again (it doesn't have to be a Solo, I reckon he's bang on the right weight/build for a Streaker. But if there's no fleet considerations and I were sub 75kg, I'd be very, very tempted to offer Dan enough green to part with that Punk!!!)
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frow3n ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 14 Aug 12 Location: London Online Status: Offline Posts: 95 |
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I thought about getting a Solo when I was 13... yes you heard me ! But then I decided against it... as I'm not heavy enough its not quick enough for me :)
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Was, was a great boat got some problems with your tense there Sheetpuller and anyway it's also questionable use of the term 'great'.
The 505 was a 'great' boat so arguably was the Flying Dutchman in its day, one could also almost be persuaded by the argument for the Finn being listed as such, not me, but some might. The Solo however does not rank up there, it ranks down amongst all the other self build kit boat dross even I know the difference between kit boats and proper professionally built stuff. Now the fact some chancers may be milking the kit boat genre for survival off the back of the handicap Bandit market doesn't make the fruits of their moulds great, they are just sad revisitations of a bygone era served up for the undead, mentally deficient and charismatically retarded. Nothing great about them, horrid things, why do we need reminding grown men can act like fools and there's no fool like an old fool. Edited by iGRF - 02 Nov 12 at 3:12pm |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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It's a natural part of growing up son, everyone has wicked and evil thoughts, silly fantasies, then we meet a nice girl (or boy) start a proper relationship, commence the process of adulthood get a job, get some cash of our own and buy something we actually enjoy. Then life happens er fairly quickly in fact, it whizzes by. Then we find we can't get about as much, the bones creak, trips to the loo become more frequent and all our friends die. Then it's time for a Solo. (That's what Solo means, alone, no friends, nobody speaks to you..) Edited by iGRF - 02 Nov 12 at 3:19pm |
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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on the contrary... the reason why so many folks sail solos is because it is neither a bandit, nor hobbled by that stupid PY system. Just check out the thread in the sailwave support forum lost down there where no one dares visit... normally really sane and rational men getting all bogged down in statistics and interpretations and committees and upsetting people for little reward. It's not healthy, it's certainly not sport in the corinthian sense. However, if a Solo is raced in the odd PY race then it held a primary handicap status up until that particular notion was canned this year, therefore the handicap is 'right enough' for all PY racing is good for anyway- the odd mad idiots' events in the depths of frozen middleshire or something as silly and perfectly loveable as a club regatta day or the Forum open meeting. Where we are, the Solo is just a boat to go race against similar 'in class' boats across the water, first is first, last is last. It doesn't pretend to be cool. It doesn't claim to be fast. It certainly wouldn't win any prizes for aesthetic design, modernity or product desirability. It doesn't even claim to be truly 'equal'. Newer ones can be faster and a new sail makes a difference, as does having the right mast for your weight/condition. Everyone who signs up for the class knows this, or they should if they've researched properly. So no one is claiming an event supplied equipment 'regatta equality' (although ask the RS:X lot about that batch of fins Pryde delivered to Weymouth). The average age of a Solo sailor will mean they've long since got over the other great disappointments in life and realise life isn't always fair and equal, but by adjusting expectations we can still have a competitive sailing environment... they don't need to worry about the tooth fairy, santa claus or the monsters in their closet either. They just need to get up to the club or the odd circuit event and/or the 50 to 100+ boat championship and go and have a good race every now and again.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Pop Quiz.
Which would you rather race in a regatta with, 50 Solo's or 50 Punks? To which the answer should be 50 Punks The next question then becomes how can there ever be 50 Punks all the time luddites wax poetic about coffin boats? Edited by iGRF - 02 Nov 12 at 3:28pm |
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pondmonkey ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2202 |
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but wouldn't the punk lose its charm if there were 50 of them? It was lose 95% of it anyway as soon as Mr Holman wasn't sailing it. He built it for himself, not someone else and it actually f**king works!!! That's something I personally think surpasses any design goals or handling characteristics.
As for Q2... yeah, let's all get in whoop-whoop for something 'new' & 'exciting'... been there, done that, paid for the T-Shirts... and has it delivered for the average club sailor- inland or coastal? Honestly?
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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I guess the last singlehanded dinghy to come in as something new and exciting for adults in the dinghy sailing world and actually spread root and branch through the sailing world would be the Laser in 1971?
And if you limit it to the UK, then the Blaze, back in the mid 90's? And to get 50 punks regularly at Open Meetings, you'd need a hell of a lot more than 50 of them built. Maybe 600? If lucky with the people sailing them. |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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The thing is if the market were structured the way it should have been getting 600 units into it isn't a big deal, but it's not, it's lead by it's own consumer base all thinking they know best, which of course they don't, they only know what they have and not what could be.
We sell and introduce well over 600 kite setups every year and so I guess do a few of our competitors, that's because a) Folk want to do it. b)They want to do it now and not wait for months c)There is someone enthusiastic selling them it and profiting by the sale over a wide geographic area. Sailing might have a) but falls down on b) and c) with the result you end up with the sad lot that this thread is about. |
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