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    Posted: 24 Oct 12 at 3:19pm
Originally posted by pondmonkey



Russ might be able to offer a little more insight, AFAIK it's more important to match the mast to sail rather than just get a 'perfect' sail on the wrong mast... I can only share what I've researched rather than experienced at this stage.  FWIW- I switched my order from a D+ to a Cumulus Selden section as this is stiffer and better suited to big guys inland.  Both fit the standard HD sail but they can cut a rag to the lighterweight C and C-Sleeved sections too if you want one.  




  Good call about the mast, I just go faster as the wind gets up, My poor point is in light winds so would go for a rig for light winds and fight the rig in the strong stuff, that would even my sailing out over the range.  P&B still have £6600 for the start point on the website, thats quite good if you look at the price of the average boat now? I would go for an ovington if they did one? the only down side is that long long trip up north to get your boat from newcastle.



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I must have a similar style to you then- I've gone to maximise lightwind, offwind performance and I'll take the pain elsewhere.  (Not bragging, but I can normally get a boat uphill well enough, it's all downwind where I lose out no matter what I've sailed in the past)

Price wise yep - that's good enough.  And it seems to hold value well compared the the nearly new price of the boats on the association website. My Winder drive away price with both covers, trailer, rudder bag, continuous controls, harken throughout, free choice on Selden mast and a free sail choice between North and HD (both on laminate upgrades) was about a grand on top for all the bits that'll be wasted on me.  They only extra that's not wasted is the custom coloured deck... more to follow on that in November LOL 

P&B will do a very good fit out and if you like their sails, you're guaranteed good after-sales... give them a call.  You might even crack a good deal this time of year  Wink  
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Of course you could buy a boat thats more comfortable sail, faster without all that pumping and which has had 35+ new boats this year and a set rig and sail........... Ermm
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 Was waiting for a winter deal but the word on the street is that they have orders in and may be a large waiting time, was hoping for a slack period with a good deal but not if the word on the street is right. I think like my MPS the real cost is only £300-£500 a year loss, not bad compaired to 6 grand on a new car.
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Originally posted by SimonW99

Of course you could buy a boat thats more comfortable sail, faster without all that pumping and which has had 35+ new boats this year and a set rig and sail........... Ermm

  Already got my MPS thanks, just missing the 10 local opens around the midlands Tongue
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Originally posted by SimonW99

Of course you could buy a boat thats more comfortable sail, faster without all that pumping and which has had 35+ new boats this year and a set rig and sail........... Ermm

you could buy a lot of boats that tick more boxes for sure... but how do you get the incumbent fleet(s) to switch and dump their current class?  Or what about encouraging everyone else to zone in on just one, all at the same time and all with enough free cash to do a group deal on 20 boats that'll guarantee 5-8 in a proper race every wednesday night / sunday morning?

Ah yes, we should be early adopters and pimp our new class and they'll all come running, sometime between now and 2020... been there, done that, even paid for the T-shirts.  You might get a great race at a circuit event once in a blue moon, but the compromise is handicap racing the rest of the time.

No thanks... if you can't beat 'em, join 'em and get on with enjoying some proper racing, locally and convenient, while we're still young and fit enough to make the most out of it.
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I sailed a solo 20 years ago and whilst its moved on, the physics haven't change. Not knocking it or its fleets, but never remember being thrilled. Spent many, many years in lasers because of the numbers, but then found the Supernova and cant believe why I sailed Lasers for so long. Its long, light, low aspect powerful main and just really enjoyable to sail. Fast growing class with a well attended and growing travellers series that would give plenty of open options for someone in the midlands.  Thumbs Up
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Alternatives are nice and I absolutely agree with you that they're not for everyone and retain very traditional characteristics (good/bad ... that's individual opinion which can change with circumstances)... but as for the Nova, I'm led to believe by the two people who used to have them at our club, that I'd be a bit on the porky side at 95kg.  Probably a bit less of an issue on the sea- in salt water ;-0  But the real 'salient point' is that 2 people used to sail them; they don't anymore, so no one to race against.

I guess that's one advantage to multiple sails and rigs... you get to offer natural adjustment to suit people's sailing style and body shape, thus making the competitive weight range quite wide.  I think the Solo claims 65-105kg in the top third of the national fleet.  That's pretty impressive from one 12ft one-design platform.

Usually the only way to do this in a SMOD is through weight equalisation rules.  Feeling like you're attending Slimming World when you go to the registration desk and someone presents you with a set of scales is hardly the welcome most folks want from an open meeting... 


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Originally posted by SimonW99

I sailed a solo 20 years ago and whilst its moved on, the physics haven't change. Not knocking it or its fleets, but never remember being thrilled. Spent many, many years in lasers because of the numbers, but then found the Supernova and cant believe why I sailed Lasers for so long. Its long, light, low aspect powerful main and just really enjoyable to sail. Fast growing class with a well attended and growing travellers series that would give plenty of open options for someone in the midlands.  Thumbs Up
  I was waiting to see if the RS100 would keep growing at the fast start rate it started at, lookec at the results and open for next year, ok if want to go to Europe but not convinced, most are unused in the local club?
    The solo would be better with a split carbon mast and boom like the RS300/ RS100 if you had to add  weight to the boat to keep it in class, just wish the RS300 was in the position of the solo, great boat but lots of fun.
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The 'Nova carries a very wide weight range and the adjustable forestay gives a very wide power range. Mark Hartley was Nt champ this year and he is 90kg +, but there are sailors at 75kg who regularly win. I was about 92kg this year and seemed equally competitive in the light. The new Epoxy boats with open transoms are stiffer and lighter and probably have an edge on a lightish reach, but early boats are still winning plenty of races.

The open transom and deck redesign make the boat much much more attractive and like the solo, they could have gone carbon on the rig, but the current rig works exceptionally well with the battened sail and swapping would have increased the cost for little if any gain apart from mast weigh aloft. In terms of fleets, I bought one, another one appeared shortly afterwards , a third is due and a fourth under consideration. once people sail them they are quick converts as they are so nice to sail - fast but forgiving. Our converts are coming from epoxy streakers and lasers. Where the fleets get established they are growing quickly because they are not only a great sail, but are very good value for an epoxy s'hander.
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