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    Posted: 18 Sep 12 at 10:20am
I was thinking the iCon might look a little out of place on the sea... that would have been wrong, it looks fantastic.  It's hard to gauge speed from sailing photos, but that looks pretty hot imho.
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The boat is great on the sea, wish we were based closer ourselves as Burghfield is a bit limiting.

Icons bow is long /pointy and partly 'cleaves' through waves without loosing much inertia.  The concept is to keep everything light, efficient and in particular 'low drag'.   This makes for a swift very smooth motion in waves ... it  also keeps the rig much more stable as well as the bow does not pitch up/down so much - the light simple carbon rig helps here as well.    The long bow was very intentional for many other reasons as well but heck this is a forum !

Some do seem to think of Icon as a pond specialist, I guess because a lot of the development was done inland on the flat stuff but it still has a strong NS heritage and there are plenty of video of these sort of hulls in waves and wind.  We did do plenty of sea work as well during the development but that is often forgotton ... Anyway we'll get some good specific Icon stuff once the Devoti PR machine gets going fully.

TR - Yes we are hankering for 03 to 'come home' asap ! Andy aka 'Dancing Farmer' having harvested the nations food for another year is now waking up for a bit of Icon crewing - be careful if you offer him a beer at rhe Forumites meeting - a dancing 'exhibition', and I choose my words with great care, only requires 2 or 3 pints.

I do know the plan is to offer you another demo boat (Rodneys one) anyway if your production hull in all its technicolour glory is later getting to UK than anticipated ! ...

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Originally posted by blaze720

 

Some do seem to think of Icon as a pond specialist, 

That's certainly an (incorrect) perception from my point of view.  I guess the Y&Y review at Burghfield coupled with the intrinsic link to your own sailing may have implied that to some extent.

Anyway, good to see it on the sea and hope this little feedback steers the PR towards some waves too... it makes better viewing anyway  Big smile

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Looks seriously good at sea. Rig looks BIG. Come on Rodney have a day in the office and get that quote out!
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There are a few points from each post that I will try and deal with.

Mike and Pondmonkey are right, the boat is genuinely very good on the open sea, both upwind where it powers through the waves and downwind when it surfs and planes enthusiastically.  I think the hull shape suits these conditions extremely well.

Peaky – the photo is of upwind sailing and we were pointing perfectly normally.  It looks a bit like a close reach because the jib was a bit too eased. 

I am still learning and have used different crews so results vary.  Best results so far are a first (on the water and on handicap) in mostly light to moderate conditions and flat water against a good mix including RS400, some wells sailed Phantoms, Albacore’s and a Fireball.  Last Sunday we had a three race interclub event in SW winds of 15 rising to 17 knots.  We finished first on the water and on handicap for the first two races against a similar mix plus Scorpions, an RS800 and a Merlin (although not perhaps one of the ones that RS400atC had in mind) but without the Fireball.  For the third race we finished first (just) on the water but third on handicap.  Concentration at this point was wavering slightly however because we managed to sail way past the windward mark twice (couldn’t see it amongst the waves), and I also fell out.

To answer RS400atC’s question.  In the right conditions and if I get it right I can keep up with these particular Merlins upwind and on reaches, until the wind rises to the point where they start to lift out of the water on the spinnaker reaches.  For obvious reasons they will be faster on a run.  These two Merlin crews are however much more talented than I will ever be.

The rig is big and powerful but easily depowered.  My crews and I are generally towards the lighter end of the scale.

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Thanks, a great help. Sounds interesting. don't to too well though ... Remember uncle PY is watching you!
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The Icon sail area is 13.6m^2 and the hull is 1.94m wide (along all of the cockpit).

For comparision a 400 is 14.8m^2 and 2.00m wide (but only at one point, then tapers to less). The Merlin has 14m^2 of sail and is up to 2.18m wide. The 200 and Tasar both have about 11.5m^2 of sail and max 1.83m wide.
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Do you know where it lies on comparison of all up sailing weights.
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Roughly:

Icon    ~90kg
400     129kg
Merlin 129kg?
200     114kg
Tasar   93kg?

Edited by Peaky - 18 Sep 12 at 2:24pm
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Originally posted by scotsfinn

Looks seriously good at sea. Rig looks BIG. Come on Rodney have a day in the office and get that quote out!

I don't have time to do quotes for new boats when I am so busy training for the Forumites Open Meeting  Wink

Please wait until after 14th October for any further correspondence  LOL
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