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Xpletive 
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 Topic: Muppets in Irons.Posted: 16 Sep 12 at 8:45pm |
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Why don't you just read the instructions, for Christ's sake!
Everyone knows EPS's come with instructions, like all beginners' boats. If you had a bleeding steam iron and used it without putting bleedin' water in it, would you seriously expect anyone to bleedin' sympathise with you if it bleedin' fried?!!! What are you like....! |
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rodney
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Posted: 16 Sep 12 at 7:52pm |
That's what I disagree with when going into the tack! I already assumed that a man with GRF's talent would have max Cunningham? Anyway I respectfully bow to my betters  Edited by rodney - 16 Sep 12 at 7:57pm |
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Rodney Cobb
Suntouched Sailboats Limited http://www.suntouched.co.uk [EMAIL=rodney@suntouched.co.uk">rodney@suntouched.co.uk |
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craiggo
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Posted: 16 Sep 12 at 7:36pm |
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Rodney,
Graeme says that he got stuck in irons just trying to harden up around the bottom mark. He didn't want to tack! But if you want to get through a tack in a boat prone to getting stuck in irons I would still not advocate too much leeward heel. Sure it will help drive the bow up into the wind, but any rudder movement when heeled will act like a brake as it tries to drag the transom down. Your best bet is to just show the boat who is boss, pull some more cunningham on, and then go into the tack with the boat going as fast as you can. Uncleat the sheet but don't let any out. Push the tiller across and as the boat starts coming over on you leap to the other side easing about 6inches of sheet out as you get towards the far side. This should buy you a few seconds to get your lard out over the side and get the boat moving. Once the foils are attached then squeeze the main back on and pinch up to close hauled. If you feel the boat slowing too much as you move across the boat, let a bit more sheet run through your hand and keep the boat turning. You may end up well below close hauled but you should at least be moving and therefore able to then bring it up to close hauled. In light airs I would advocate Rodneys method, in that it uses the hull shape to turn the boat and not the rudder, but in light winds you are unlikely to get stuck in irons coming out of the tack. |
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rodney
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Posted: 16 Sep 12 at 6:57pm |
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Looks like Craigo and I disagree
Let the boat want to tack and to hell with rudder authority!
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Rodney Cobb
Suntouched Sailboats Limited http://www.suntouched.co.uk [EMAIL=rodney@suntouched.co.uk">rodney@suntouched.co.uk |
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 16 Sep 12 at 6:51pm |
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Does this mean I'll have to uncleat that mainsheet thing and risk a broken nail?
Have you seen what that nasty rope does to a girls hands? Gloves, I'll be needing gloves then, gloves to prevent ironing.. That kicker thing, it's quite a long stretch to reach it, so is that cunning lingual rope, not sure I want to fiddle with ropes once I'm out there, it seems such a manual thing to do, can see why Northerners would do it. Rudder Authority, I do like the sound of that, will I need to shout?
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craiggo
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Posted: 16 Sep 12 at 5:35pm |
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It basically means your allowing the boat to control you rather than vice-versa and therefore you are being a Southern pansy!
Graeme perhaps its just a side effect of Shandy drinking? All singlehanded boats have this tendancy (although worse with fully battened mains) but it can easily be remedied by a couple of actions. 1. Pull on more cunningham, it pulls the draft forward on the mainsail and as you bring the power on there is less yawing moment driving the bow up into the wind 2. Keep the boat flat as you head up, as this maintains maximum rudder authority 3. Get you weight forwards If you go into irons, then kicker off, as the boat starts going backwards push the tiller away until the boat starts to bear away, then aggressively heel to windward and a couple of sharp pulls on the tiller as you pull a bit of mainsheet in, keeping the windward heel and as the boat accelerates sheet on and haul the kicker back on. |
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Rupert
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Posted: 16 Sep 12 at 5:30pm |
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Loads and loads of downhaul. The windier it gets, the more the fullest part of the sail is blown aft, and the hrder is is to get the boat through the wind. So wack the cunningham on as hard as it will go.
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rodney
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Posted: 16 Sep 12 at 5:29pm |
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Always tack on the flattest bit of water. It's worth waiting just a bit longer rather than to hit a stopping wave. Let the boat heal to leeward so that it wants to tack naturally - weather helm, then tack. Best to tack with the main uncleated so that you can overtack i necessary, get speed up, and then head up again. For leeward roundings go in wide and come out tight keeping the speed on all the way round. If there is still a danger of getting into irons when tacking just hold the boom out to bring the bow round, works a treat when wearing round (cowards' gybe)
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Rodney Cobb
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radixon
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Posted: 16 Sep 12 at 5:16pm |
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The 700 has this tendency, you had to dump the kicker, pull a Little daggerboard up if you dared and then do the push push pull pull method.
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Do Different
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Posted: 16 Sep 12 at 5:15pm |
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Ask any Topper squad'er, I think it goes something like push push pull pull. Some of ours are tiny, they seem to manage fine and they train in the sort of weather I wouldn't turn a dog outside.
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