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    Posted: 17 Aug 12 at 2:24pm
The flag is symetrical so turning it through 180 degrees will make no difference. You cannot flip it as you would a cloth flag and it is not being flown from the right if you compare it to the USA flag.
 
Now putting the port flag on the starboard side and probably vice versa would help...
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Originally posted by slop_idol

havent seen a starboard side picture yet, the hoist is meant to be from the left with the wide white section pinwheeling to towards the top, so they may have put it on upside down or have the hoist from the right.

The hoist should be on the mast (flagpole) side. So port and starboard graphics must be different.
If there is no flagpole then hoist should be on the left.

Shouldn't it be an Ensign anyway or a Jack (ie with white border)?

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Glad you mentioned the white border. I didn't know about that. There was a keel boat moored in Portland Harbour during the games with an almighty gurt Union Flag with a white border. I did wonder why it had a border.
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Originally posted by Contender443

The flag is symetrical so turning it through 180 degrees will make no difference. You cannot flip it as you would a cloth flag and it is not being flown from the right if you compare it to the USA flag.
 
Now putting the port flag on the starboard side and probably vice versa would help...
 
union flag is not symmetrical, it is pinwheeled
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Originally posted by JohnW

Originally posted by slop_idol

havent seen a starboard side picture yet, the hoist is meant to be from the left with the wide white section pinwheeling to towards the top, so they may have put it on upside down or have the hoist from the right.

The hoist should be on the mast (flagpole) side. So port and starboard graphics must be different.
If there is no flagpole then hoist should be on the left.

Shouldn't it be an Ensign anyway or a Jack (ie with white border)?

Section 4.


 
exactly so looking at the leading edge on the port side the current flag is hoisted upsidedown.
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Originally posted by ellistine

Glad you mentioned the white border. I didn't know about that. There was a keel boat moored in Portland Harbour during the games with an almighty gurt Union Flag with a white border. I did wonder why it had a border.

Because it was a Union Jack, not a Union Flag and hence not a criminal offence to fly it.

I saw it too.  It was probably visible from space!

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Originally posted by JohnW

Because it was a Union Jack, not a Union Flag and hence not a criminal offence to fly it.


Section 4.1.a.ii of the Merchant Shipping Act 1995.

"(ii)the Union flag (commonly known as the Union Jack) with a white border, or"

The yacht in the photo is fully comply with the law. She could also fly the Red Ensign if she so wished but not a Union Flag/Jack without a white border unless she has permission from either Her Majesty or from the Secretary of State.

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Originally posted by SoggyBadger

Originally posted by JohnW

Because it was a Union Jack, not a Union Flag and hence not a criminal offence to fly it.


Section 4.1.a.ii of the Merchant Shipping Act 1995.

"(ii)the Union flag (commonly known as the Union Jack) with a white border, or"

The yacht in the photo is fully comply with the law. She could also fly the Red Ensign if she so wished but not a Union Flag/Jack without a white border unless she has permission from either Her Majesty or from the Secretary of State.


Yes agreed, the one with the gurt big flag is compliant. 
But Ben's AC45 isn't (unless it is a Royal Naval vessel, which Im pretty sure it is not).
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Yea gods, who dreams up these stupid rules? Do they date back to the time of the union? Does this mean all the guys with union flags on their spinnakers at the Olympics are going to end up in the Tower?

As for flying the Flag upside down, why wasn't it simply designed symmetrical in the 1st place, so no one got beheaded for getting it wrong?
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Originally posted by Rupert



As for flying the Flag upside down, why wasn't it simply designed symmetrical in the 1st place, so no one got beheaded for getting it wrong?
 
its to give the scottish section precedence over the northern irish. 
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