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    Posted: 09 Jul 12 at 4:27pm
Originally posted by G.R.F.

Well the only real equalised performance system you need really is multiple sail size options.

I note they did offer two sizes with thee EPS and I'm supposed to have the small one with the racks right out which would be most uncomfortable most of the time.

well there's a golden nugget of wisdom there Graeme- and you either said it in passing as a result of years with the rig in your hands, or you said it with wry, hidden undertone....

'multiple sail size options'

I totally agree with the concept, what I find abhorrent is the apparent need to regulate such options and to justify performance variables between them. 

I've long since been an advocate of 'choose your weapons', 12/18 ft skiff style.  And to the 'arms race argument'... do one... it's dinghy sailing, it's not cheap and another rag to make the boat more accessible is not going to prevent anyone from joining in.  In fact, given that it opens-up the wind and weight range if free choice is allowed to stand then imho, it makes the 'toy' more usable.  If something's more usable I'd be confident you'd get more people joining in longer term. 

I do wonder how many of those back markers at the MPS Worlds would have happily spent another, what £500 on that skinny "training" mainsail that was previously discussed and kept sailing.  After all the cost of hauling a boat from Spain, Accommodation for 2 weeks + all the other costs... well £500 is not a massive addition.  I'd certainly rather make a 'once in a lifetime opportunity' sailable, rather than feel it's a once in a lifetime 'missed' opportunity!!!!
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not sure how equalisation could ever work unless weight is also added to the boat - otherwise surely the lighter guys have all the advantages as soon as you sail down hill or in lighter winds ; that does presume their pathetic little arms can pull the sails in  Wink
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Well the only real equalised performance system you need really is multiple sail size options.

I note they did offer two sizes with thee EPS and I'm supposed to have the small one with the racks right out which would be most uncomfortable most of the time.
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Originally posted by Contender443

When are you going to get it Graeme,

Er never?

Not when it doesn't have to be that way...

weight equalisation has been tried and tested... it's failed.  It doesn't work.  Laser 'Equalised Performance System'.... no thanks.  

In the main we pick a boat with a weight band that suits us.  Some boat have a broader weight band than others.  You just seem to pick SMODs, but their nature they have narrower weight bands as they don't have flexibility in selecting the rigs- until recently, and even then that's compromised because folks can't cope with accepting that an 8.4 is just as quick (faster imho) than a 10.2 if selected for the conditions right.  
The truth is- you at 70kg and me at 100kg, could actually race against each other in Solos, OKs and probably even Phantoms if you got a flexi-twig and flat cut sail.  Slice out the extreme conditions at both ends of the beaufort we could actually have a good race- IRRESPECTIVE of how much we weigh!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote G.R.F. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jul 12 at 12:32pm
Originally posted by Contender443

Originally posted by G.R.F.

Originally posted by Contender443

When are you going to get it Graeme,

Er never?

Not when it doesn't have to be that way...
It is that way and most of us like it that way. You are never going to change us.

Which is why you're wrong.

Has your wife never told you?

You're always wrong...
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Originally posted by Contender443

Originally posted by G.R.F.

Originally posted by Contender443

When are you going to get it Graeme,

Er never?

Not when it doesn't have to be that way...
It is that way and most of us like it that way. You are never going to change us.
I guess GRF is that way and most of us like him that way.  We are never going to change him? Wink
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Originally posted by Contender443

When are you going to get it Graeme,

Er never?

Not when it doesn't have to be that way...
It is that way and most of us like it that way. You are never going to change us.
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Originally posted by Contender443

When are you going to get it Graeme,

Er never?

Not when it doesn't have to be that way...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Contender443 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jul 12 at 12:07pm
Originally posted by pondmonkey

 EDIT- just read the thread, worryingly some folks seemed to be sailing without the requisite insurances in place??!!??  WTF????????  Confused
They must have had 3rd party insurance. The way I read it was some countries do not offer fully comp as we do in the UK.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Contender443 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jul 12 at 12:05pm
Originally posted by G.R.F.

My criticism aside from the obvious design issues of the boat that I've cracked on about over the years and the refusal of the class to accommodate lighter folk with better equalisation or smaller rigs, but the fact they had so many broken masts and one of their own is bleating about the size of the course and number of laps in that wind.

When are you going to get it Graeme, classes are weight specific and weight equalisation is a load of b0ll0cks. Go to most class events and all the sailors will be the same size (with a few exceptions).
 
As far as the broken masts go they say there were only 3 and one of those was because of someone colliding with a capsized boat. Hardly a fault of the boat.
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