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    Posted: 02 Jul 12 at 2:43pm
All boats - IRC, ISC and Sportsboats had to meet the same minimum stability requirements. Safety and Screening (SSS) minimum base value of 8. 

So - I'm making assumptions here - the main difference between the smaller ISC/IRC boats and the sportsboats is that some sportsboats don't have lifelines, which might have been a factor in the decision. 

I'm not saying it was the right decision (Whether the decision was right or not is a very personal opinion IMHO). Obviously, some sportsboats went round without problems. I'm saying that I don't think it was an unreasonable decision - even though people were disappointed. 

And whilst the idea that it's entirely and 100% the skipper's decision is all well and good, I don't think the world really works that way any more. Even RORC postpone races in the face of a poor forecast - see Myth of Malham this year, and Fastnet in 2007 (25hr postponement). 


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Just to clarify:
 
The J/80 has an SSS Base Value of 12. The Notice of Race for both the IRC Classes and the ISCRS Classes set a minimum SSS Base Value of 8. Futhermore, the J/80 is certified for Design Category B of the "EU Recreational Craft Directive" which states that qualifying boats are designed for waves up to 13 feet high with winds to 41 knots, or conditions which may be encountered on offshore voyages of sufficient length or on coasts where shelter may not always be immediately available. There was no suggestion in the forecast conditions for last Saturday that conditions as extreme as that would be experienced.
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Originally posted by Quagers

said, why ban J/80's when you let quarter tonners go round

I don't know about nowawdays, but back in the day the quarter tonners were definitely open water racing boats with reefs in the mainsail and all that. An earlier post said the J80s don't cary mainsail reefs.

But one thing is for sure, it doesn't matter where you draw a line, folks close to the line on one side or another will whinge about it...

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The Quarter Ton Cup incorporated an offshore race. 
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All the quarter tonners have sss values around 15, they also should have reefs in their mains although some do not. They also carry up to 4 jibs.  A number of the boats are also professionally crewed and the standard of the fleet is very high, the top end of the j80 fleet is a good standard too, but perhaps not the back end!

I am not saying that the decision was right, i think it was very wrong, but bring quarter tonners into the argument is not really a valid reason that j80s should have sailed.  They should, because the weather really wasnt bad at all. Not because some other classes did....
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And I'm interested to see that at the J80 worlds this year in Dartmouth, the final day was abandoned when Bft 7 was measured in the racing area - with crews kept ashore. 
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The final day of the J/80 worlds was cancelled due to gusts of 42knots being recorded and 4.5m swells at the entrance of the harbour, the competitors wouldn't have been able to physically get to the race area, the mark laying ribs attempted to leave the river but failed. The PRO then consulted with the organisers and the UKCA and the decision was made to cancel much to most teams relief. 
 
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Originally posted by laser193713

All the quarter tonners have sss values around 15, they also should have reefs in their mains although some do not. They also carry up to 4 jibs.  A number of the boats are also professionally crewed and the standard of the fleet is very high, the top end of the j80 fleet is a good standard too, but perhaps not the back end!

I am not saying that the decision was right, i think it was very wrong, but bring quarter tonners into the argument is not really a valid reason that j80s should have sailed.  They should, because the weather really wasnt bad at all. Not because some other classes did....


for example, a sonata is 21ft and an sb3 is 21 ft,
the sonata carrys 2 reefs and 3 jibs, and has alot more form stability and is more seaworthy than an sb3.

the term sports boat is a bit fluid as i would call a j80 a yacht, as it has a cabin(all be it a small one) and has a higher displacement
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The problem for organisers of this sort of thing is whilst the top half of a fleet could sail in those sort of conditions the bottom may not and whilst it is all well and good saying its up tot he skipper to go out there will be people who would go just because there class is going out and they think that they can cope or don't have the experiance to know if they can but just assume they can. (i hope that makes sense). Im not supporting this one way or another but standing on leap fore shore on saturday morning in was thinking to my self that its going to be a bit rough round the back today.
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Originally posted by laser193713

We went round in cool runnings, despite the class being abandoned.  Mainly because we wanted to race against the bigger boats and knew we had a good chance of showing up the bigger boats.  We started the race on our biggest jib 2 minutes after the class 1 start and decided to change down a jib at hurst.  That probably took 5 minutes as we had to stop as it is a jib luff. .......



Having to stop for 5 minutes to change jib suggests to me that this isn't an offshore boat, and makes me think the race organisers have a point.
Many small boats could go faster than the bigger boats, including dinghies, but is that the point?

It is well known that the 'dayboat' classes sometimes get cancelled, you should know that when you enter. I've spoken to a fair variety of competitors and none of them have described it as sounding like a suitable RTIR for dayboats.
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