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ham4sand ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Jul 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 452 |
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theres nothing wrong with the act of sailing someone down a fleet if you have the skillset to do it IMHO.
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Hmm I've got to disagree, my sense of fair play was thoroughly offended the first time I came across it, in any other form of racing I'd previously experienced it wouldn't be tolerated and I could never understand why sailing does.
Nobody in Windsurfing had really experienced it until a young RYA dinghy squaddie turned windsurfer hovered above the line in the last race of the 1980 Nationals then sailed another young guy (who was about to beat him but didn't have the benefit of dinghy experience) down the fleet and it was only to acquire a third and he very nearly impeded me in doing so, I warned him what might happen if he did, it was an eye opener and nasty affair I didn't like it then and have absolutely no respect for anyone who does it now, if you can't beat them over the water you don't deserve the place. Interesting he (the offender) went on to become an RYA coach.
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PeterG ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 822 |
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I've no idea how to phrase a rule that allows covering but has a limit on it.
Well, getting rid of those appalling medal races would surely be a good start?
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alstorer ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 07 Location: Cambridge Online Status: Offline Posts: 2899 |
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There was no medal race at Sydney 2000
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r2d2 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 29 Sep 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 350 |
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I agree with Brass - sledging is different from sailing someone down the fleet. Sledging IMHO breaks RRS2.
As long as the boats are of the same class and both are competing in the same race series, sSailing someone down the fleet is OK - very similar to croquet (and no that is not my background;-) ) |
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Presuming Ed ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 641 |
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Interesting. (Honestly). Out of interest, what's your view of: a) Tackles in football/rugby/hockey b) Spin/seam/fast bowling in cricket c) Hitting a tennis ball in such a way that you're trying to maximise the difficulty of the opposition returning it. d) Racing drivers making it as difficult as possible for people behind to overtake?
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Can you imagine a motor race where a driver allows everyone else to go past, but swerves around at 20 mph in front of the car which needed to beat him to win the race?
Mind, in motor racing they seem to think it is OK to ram cars off the road. Tennis is difficult because you only have to beat the person in front of you - there is no one else there to win instead. In cricket, I seem to remember an incident where the odd run or2 was needed off the last ball, so the bowler bowled underarm along the ground to stop it being hit. Roundly condemned as being unfair play. All your examples are cases of trying hard to win. How is a tackle the same? Again, no other teams out on the pitch, so difficult to see a parallel. |
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andy101 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 11 Jan 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 176 |
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The underarm bowling was an Aussie - nuff said
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sargesail ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459 |
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And that was illegal then and is now - so a protest would have solved it. Or is this another mythical GRF example.
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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a,b & c are irrelevant they are not racing. Racing drivers making it difficult to overtake is nothing different tan luffing on a reach or covering downwind or upwind. Using an F1 analogy, one team member starting before the green for go then positioning himself to prevent another member of an opposing team from getting a clear start or blocking him for several minutes would prompt more than just a stewards inquiry. Its just wrong, no two ways about it, everyone in the real world (outside sailing) also thinks so, indefensible, dont try.
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