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Slippery Jim 
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 Topic: V TwinPosted: 22 May 12 at 3:32pm |
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Pass the skiff, man!
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 22 May 12 at 3:45pm |
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Oh really? Do you seriously want me to go over all that good old ground with my supposed brand new RS500 and it's failings, or my brand new RS100 that let me down so spectacularly at the nationals with something that everybody else but me knew would go wrong, not to mention my Alto with it's freshly shed gel coat and God knows how many other issues that only my love of it prevented me kicking off about at the time. And your oh so nice MPS where's that then and why aren't you still sailing it? Oh of course now, you have to work for a living so not really possible is it? A Phantom - granted my chum has had not a problem, a rare island in a sea of grievance. Edit realisation dawns: and don't think I don't realise all this sucking up to 'professionals' isn't geared towards you blagging your final resting place in a P&B special Solo with brass handles and a man with a top hat walking in front with extra black plumes on the horses..
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pondmonkey
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Posted: 22 May 12 at 4:00pm |
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it's true... the issues you encountered with the RS100 were known niggles, I guess we come to expect that with a new boat and to some extent I got a perverse sense of discovery from finding them out ahead of the curve. Chopping those stupid kite tidies out and swapping the fixed kite halyard running blocks under the chute for rotating ones certainly gave me the advantage to plod on when others were shorebound with gear failure, lack of will power or fear their wives were getting too cosy with the RS workshop team.
With regards the MPS... I would say selling it as I knew I wouldn't have the time to maintain my own learning curve (by committing to the class events and training) says more about me than the boat. And for what it's worth, I certainly parted in good spirits, hoping that one day a situation might arise where I can sail one (or something similar) again.
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pondmonkey
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Posted: 22 May 12 at 4:04pm |
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oh you cynic, but no, I'm not here blowing sunshine up the arse of the industry... that's the type of service I'd expect when buying a new boat. I do however recognise that when expectations are met there is general sense that 'thank f*ck someone can still do a job right.' BTW- it's highly unlikely I'd buy a P&B Solo, much as the service was good, I've never been overly fond of their sails ever since dropping down the club Oppy ranks when using one in 1991, fortunately clawed back the following season by switching to a Carlsen (now part of Norths apparently). If/when the time comes to actually spend any money on a Solo I'd imagine I will be placing my business elsewhere (for the sail at least), oh and yes, I would be making sure the luff curve matches the mast and going for a fuller, more downwind focused cut to try to offset my appalling downwind sailing technique.
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 22 May 12 at 4:14pm |
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So you're saying marketing a product to a person that is the target audience, has sailed since he was young has a high disposable income, but because he needs to maintain that income with a nine to five job he can never really operate the product, is a good solid business model. So you then try to make him feel somehow inadequate with stories of sailing deities whilst offering training weekends to do what exactly? Teach him something that somehow managed to elude him in a lifetimes sailing? And you think that's logical? Or business sense or a long term solution for a sport or pastime? You don't think maybe offering a product with the same sense of excitement that is achievable by a wider market and audience would perhaps give a company, a market, an industry a better degree of longevity?
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tickler
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Posted: 22 May 12 at 4:20pm |
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Many of you chaps are being unkind about this EPS thing, but Looking at GRF's history with dingies he has never sailed a simple singlehander. What fun it will be to just sail. get in it and sail. No development, nothing to tangle. He may find that he just enjoys sailing for the sake of sailing.
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pondmonkey
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Posted: 22 May 12 at 4:23pm |
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Am I the target audience though Graeme? I might have aspired to it, and I might fancy scratching that itch when it comes back like a bad dose of the clap again... but really, I'd say the target market is fitter, younger, lighter, ex-29er types; not us kids who were brought up sailing displacement boats which favoured grunt over finesse when 3 x 2 hour races back to back was situation normal, and that was after sailing out from the 'proper' harbour in Weymouth for an hour to get to the race course.
It just happens that some older guys have the general sailing aptitude and awareness to get above this newer level of boat handling requirements- they'll still get their arses handed to them by the kids as the fleet age drops. I'd also say that learning in a group environment pays dividends and that if there were a fleet of Mustos at my club I'd probably have kept it and got out when I could. Edited by pondmonkey - 22 May 12 at 4:34pm |
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Ruscoe
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Posted: 22 May 12 at 4:35pm |
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My mate picked up his brand spanking new phantom on Saturday Graeme sail no 1406! |
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 22 May 12 at 4:36pm |
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Yes most definitely.
Younger fitter lighter ex 29er types don't have cash, as i recall that boat was a good few grand. The whole Industry is screwed by its fixation with youf, youf is skint and when it finally discovers cash, wheels and the opposite sex, sailing is the last thing on its mind.. I know this, the RYA did it to us as well, neglected the 30 -50 market segment, no training for them, all they have is jobs, money and time on their hands why would anyone be interested in selling them windsurfing or sailing.. Edited by G.R.F. - 22 May 12 at 4:37pm |
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blaze720
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Posted: 22 May 12 at 4:43pm |
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but Looking at GRF's history with dingies he has never sailed a simple
singlehander. What fun it will be to just sail. get in it and sail. No
development, nothing to tangle. He may find that he just enjoys sailing
for the sake of sailing.
Blaze - not many as simple and even simpler than the EPS .. and with the benefit of hindsight the boat was one even Greame became a minor fan of .. although not at the time of course  ! We'll still tease him a little and but keep offering him a go in a properly sorted one. Who knows he might still become a born-again Blaze owner one day (I think the class is strong enough to survive) ... a decade or so before the Solo that beckons of course ...... Mike L. "Less keyboard ... more sailing - REPEAT" Edited by blaze720 - 22 May 12 at 4:43pm |
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