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    Posted: 22 May 12 at 1:49pm
... is there a buggy out there today in deepest Kent  ... you know surrounded by a wide range of chewed up and discarded toys ...?  Wink  They seem to be coming out thick and fast again !

I'd get it out of the sun and just go sailing quick ....  A bad day in the 'whatever' crappy old dinghy design (that works)  is better than a good day in the office / pram perhaps dreaming about that 'perfect' alternative that 'those idiots' cannot already see.

Dream on ....  Seriously though take the positives out of it - you learnt a great deal (if not humility!) and did what so few will ever do, gaining satisfaction in the process perhaps - No not many will ever develop and build a new whatsit, .... and provided the nearest thing to a 'boat development soap' this forum has ever witnessed.  

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What Rupert, create his own lipstick class? Of course the benefit of a lipstick class is some other bugger has gone through the 'arsing around' phase for you and you can just get on with taking part in the good fleet racing that such proccesses can deliver.

Maybe if new & funky must be on the agenda, (god knows why, they're just dinghies FFS) perhaps the passion & enthusiasm would be better channelled into the groundswell of something like the Farr 3.7 Project- make sure they don't tie themselves up in rules and regulations before the 'class' even kicks off for example.
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Got my first Cad renders today, they'd been in the junk mail since yesterday hopefully not trying to tell me something...


From the OP- honestly, it's not funny. At least you gave it a go... now get out there and tell us all what a travesty it was the EPS flopped under the weight of competition/lack of marketing clout.
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I'm not done with this yet, the tenor of the conversation here sounds like it's all over and a waste of time and resin which it isn't. 

We haven't even talked about V 3 yet.. Wink

The EPS is my wednesday afternoon bunk off down the lake diversion, the quality of the actual racing appears better there than recently we've experienced at Hythe with our tiny one sided beats and reaches that favour Contenders and other kite less diversions from the path of true righteousness.

And don't forget like tonight, it's sunny warm 'n windy and I'll be out proper racing on the purest form of sail racing there is..


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get some of this and sail a normal boat??
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Originally posted by Rupert

but the little stuff; why boats have string where they do, why sails are cut as they are, rather than windsurfer style, why some fittings are made as they are. Things that a couple of years ago you would rant about for hours, but now maybe, just maybe, you can see might work?



Couple of years ago? Ask me how I felt after losing one of those stupid wire cir clip things they use everywhere last night, or that the chain plates were once again different hole dimension to my two different fast pins.

'They' do it for their supposed competitive advantage and give the bloody chandleries a bit more of a meagre income from our sadness.

Dinghy 'fittings' in general are a total farce, there are too many different scu's for any local dinghy shop to stock, none of them work with other brands, yet there are no clear markings or product ID other than the occasional 316 stamped as a lie on a bit of rusting stainless shackle.

I swear even in the short time I've been involved which is coming up 8 years now, the quality has degraded, 'they' are probably getting 'scalped' by China and don't even know it yet.

They put their string in front of the spinnaker chute instead of one top of it, they don't match their mast curve to their sails, no-ones spotted that you don't actually have to have a great long boom if you fully batten the sail, the gnav thing isn't always married to the appropriate controls to stop the sail flattening, round pegs in square holes.. do I need to rant on?

The whole shambles is such a joke you couldn't even make it up if you wanted to paint a picture of total random chaos in product supply to a market. Never mind educating the market to the point even the average none sailor would have the first idea..


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I'm impressed, some time back grf was baiting everyone else, now everyone else is baiting grf.

strange world as Graeme says. keep it going Graeme and enjoy what you are doing. so what if it flies in the face of popular convention, and doesn't even work as you hoped I'm sure you're having more fun than most of us all tied up with heaps of frustration.
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All this stuff about weight makes me think GRF should go to Pro-Vela in Spain and learn to fly a moth. So light anyone can carry it into and out of the water.

Oh, but hang on, when he gets his ar*e caned by the existing Moth crew, there will be no valid excuses
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Funny that was so nearly on the to do list this spring.. Lester Noble, Jonny Hutchcroft, Si reynolds have all been and that really nice guy from Aardvark already pointed out that I could probably carry it into the water, be an interesting recovery though in our shore dump.

I've got a neat sail that would make one of them go pretty well..
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But you're pigging around with one prototype or new release after another; this latest rig nothing more than a cut n' shunt from the workshop floor, no wonder bits just don't work.

Buy an established class from an established retailer and you'd find the experience is a bit different.  

I bought a Musto Skiff from then, Victor Boats.  All the rope lengths were right, using high quality Marlow rope, specced for appropriate job.  Even the trap wires pre-spliced into the adjustable mode.  The Harken standard fit out was mint, using carbo blocks were appropriate, so no concerns over dodgy fittings.  I had a full handover before driving off so I was totally confident when rigging it on my own for the first time I wouldn't mess it up.  No complaints- straight onto the water for a surprisingly successful first sail.

When I bought a Phantom from P&B I got them to deliver it as part of the deal.  When I arrived at the club I was expecting to find it all in polythene wrappers and with a soggy instruction manual taped to the trolley to assist me 'put it together'.  However I was delighted to arrive and find the mast was rigged, all rubbish was taken away and all control lines set to my weight- factoring in the mast and sail choice I'd made.  To add icing to the cake, the guy who'd delivered had even gone to the office and found out where my boat park space was and put it in there for me.  Again I rolled the cover off and was on the water within 15 minutes of getting changed.

It's not all as shabby as we make out... you just need to pay the professionals and accept they've done this before, so probably know more about it than we do.

    
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