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Rupert 
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 Topic: Best handicap boatPosted: 18 Apr 12 at 5:11pm |
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My Lightning cost me £300, and I was able to go out and win an Open Meeting in it. Since then, I've bought a new sail, new cover and lots of new cleats, ropes etc, costing rather more in total than the boat cost originally. And since then, how many meetings have I won? None...
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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kingdacks
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Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 5:14pm |
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Id love a lightning if I could find one. Hard to find them that cheap or even available.
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Dougaldog
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Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 5:24pm |
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Gruf....
NOTHING would give me greater pleasure than to open the huge can of worms that is the 'dinghy sailing scene of today' and write about some of the real stories that are there...but will stay un-reported for the simple reason that nobody would publish it. Back in the days of Dinghy Sailing Mag I did lift the lid (albeit just a tad) and got a great deal of grief for my sins, so to really 'tell it like it is' just ain't going to happen! Anyone who thinks that 'all is well' in dinghy sailing just because we 'may' win a few medals at Weymouth is missing a big chunk of a much larger truth, but the sport has long since lost it's voice, only those who are allowed to speak now do so, with the result that sailing is all the poorer! In the absence of being able to write the 'warts and all' stuff, the idea of a controlled 'experiment' has merits.. and if it brings people back into grassroots sailing then it can do no harm. What's the atlternative? Yet another picture of a foiling Moth, or some wonderous boat with sail area measured in square miles that the likes of me and thee can only wonder at (and would never be able to right post capsize). At the Dinghy Show I spent a long time with 'Old Arn' on the Alto stand (we go back many a long year to when we were both in five-Os) as I was looking at the bones of an article on sailing for the 'older' sailor - a boat that a reasonably 'still got all the marbles, limbs and the wish to do so' could provide a great sailing experience for a 'silver sailor' (many of the criteria we discussed would have warmed your cockles...for they are not so far from the thinking behind your V-twin ideas). Now given your last email, I should expect the next one from you being a rant about developing sailing's equivalent of the zimmer frame... yet just like suggesting that an article on a budget boat could be a good idea, so could the 'silver sailor' piece work. From what I see of the sport, sadly there are all too many of us who are 'real' people - growing older and not the superfit sailing demigods where you clearly seek yourself ranked! D
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Rupert
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Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 5:52pm |
They have had a bit of a resergence since I bought mine, and 2nd hand prices have risen, I guess. As fewer than 400 have ever been built, it doesn't take much for the 2nd hand market to dry up, I guess. Another cheap 2ndhand boat to look at, if you don't mind painting, is the Firefly, especially if you are handicap racing on smaller water. |
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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kingdacks
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Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 7:36pm |
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Yes but i dont think ts the best boat for coastal racing. |
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craiggo
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Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 7:56pm |
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In answer to the questions about buying cheap and keeping it going. Its possible but as said there is a cost. A simple issue on my Graduate cost me the best part of £100 and took from Sept to March to resolve (I did all the work myself so costs were materials only), although it did sit in the garage simply drying out for much of that time. For far less than £1000 I have a competitive boat (was winning the first race I sailed her in until the last leg!). On the flip side my RS700 has cost me more with new sails every 3years, annual maintenance, re-roping, new blocks etc. That said I sail the 700 in pretty much any sailable conditions, at least twice a week so its taken a hammering, and the cost per nautical mile would be pretty low. Going back to the experience of buying my Grad, research and extreme pickiness are a necessity. I bought a proven boat (ex Nationals winner), which had been extremely well maintained (except for the toestrap attachment to the bulkhead  ) and I carefully determined a sensible price. I've enjoyed the maintenance over the winter, and chalked it up as a good experience, and now look forward to sailing it more as its a lovely boat. As for simplicity, its great, allowing loads of eyes out of the boat time.
I'm all for the future and what it has to offer, but the past has plenty of treasures that are still there to be enjoyed. Edited by craiggo - 18 Apr 12 at 8:10pm |
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Rupert
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Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 8:04pm |
Not for handicap racing, no. For coastal, the Europe would be a lot of fun. Used to sail mine on the Irish sea in big waves. Amazingly quick when surfing. |
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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Contender443
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Posted: 19 Apr 12 at 7:56am |
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A couple of years ago Y&Y did a pimp your boat competition. They selected an old Fireball and it got a complete revamp. They even had to get it a new hull in the end as the old one was just not up to the job....
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Bonnie Lass Contender 1764
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tickler
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Posted: 19 Apr 12 at 8:47am |
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How sad GRF that you wish to deprive some of us of fun! Appart from the two cheap boats in our stable that have won properly there have been a number of others. A Lark £100, a tin of Dulux, some cheap string and 2 years of fun including the BM. I think I got £300 for it on Ebay. A Javelin £300, again, string, paint and a bit of GRP. 6 bottles of wine for a set of sails and 2 wet years. Then a Laser 2 for £150 all together, never liked it but sold it for £600. A Zoom (you may well ask) just bought for £15 and flogged for a profit. Tasar, cost £1000, sailed for 5 years but we did buy some mylars, I still have this and must sort it out for sale. International Moth, £100, cheap restoration and loads of fun for the boy. Merlin Rocket, £100, what a wreck but I rebuilt it and it won a couple of races, sold. Lightning, £50, cheap restoration, sold for £500......there must be others but I forget.......and cars! 40 odd years ago I owned two old Bentleys, I cobbled them together and had great fun but now they would be worth a fortune and that fun would be denied me.
If Mr Fuller wishes to follow the path of cutting edge technology and strive for perfection and plastic windows (that colours my opinion of him for ever) then I support him, encourage him but there must be a place in society for us cobblers. And........a nice Rondar Contender for sale. Come on or it goes on the Bay! |
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rogue
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Posted: 19 Apr 12 at 9:33am |
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well if you're dead keen on a restoration project, get your head in a good place... forget class rules, forget aiming for a target PY, forget anything which conventionally hinders development.
What I'd do with £500... probably buy an old wooden phantom, try and scrounge a fat head main and mast from an older 14 crew and whack a wire on it. It would be as quick as a Contender, but far more stable, whilst retaining the lightwind characteristics that even 'old woodies' still offer in handicap racing. I'd probably then look to put a kite on it at some point down the line, but this wouldn't be 'phase 1'. Of course you'll be faced with the 'what PY should I have question' from some quarters, the answer is simple, buy this T-shirt-  |
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