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Kev M 
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 Topic: Best handicap boatPosted: 18 Apr 12 at 3:33pm |
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No. Sailing is fun, maintenance is a ball-ache.
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Successfully confusing ambition with ability since 1980.
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ex laser
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Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 3:41pm |
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tryinghard
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Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 4:00pm |
If you're going to do that and you want to sail, you need two boats as one is always upside down as opposed to being sailed. Sorting my British Moth out has taken 2 stints of 4 months each over 2 seasons. I learned a lot but I wouldn't call it fun - it was either fix it or burn it. I can echo the total ownership cost thing as my Streaker cost me over 4K two seasons ago. Apart from under and over trailing covers (which have been used more on my British Moth!) it has had next to nothing spent on it other than a new sail this season. I reckon I could sell it for pretty much what I bought it for quite easily. A cheap old boat can cost you an awful lot over the period you own it for. Edited by tryinghard - 18 Apr 12 at 4:01pm |
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getafix
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Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 4:13pm |
AFAIK there's no "fun" in maintenance fella, spend that dough on a nice dinner or two and try and find a girlie who's dads' a boat builder! |
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Dougaldog
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Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 4:35pm |
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I've noted the comments and suggestions that this topic would make a good article for Y&Y and you may well have something there! But, you're all going to have to wait until the dust settles from Weymouth (and the subsequent post-mortem on the event) as this will gobble up all the available page space.
As one who has been down the 'buy an old boat and do it up' route I know that it can be done and for middle of the range club level sailing, you can indeed make the project into a qualified success. From bitter experience I'd say that the starting point has to be the quality of the hull, as a wreck is a wreck and shall ever be so, amen! (as wing-wang found out to her cost with a naff Bell kit Mirror 14 Hull). But if the hull itself is in fair condition, class websites and fleabay can solve many of the other questions about gear, be that foils, sails or spars. The genre of boat being considered also plays a part: it's much easier to do this with a single hander, as there is not that much in the way of rope/fittings and 'add ons' (not to mention the jib and spinnaker) that is needed. The obvious boat of choice would have to be the Laser, for the simple reason that has already been indentified - you do indeed find them in the elephants grave-yard at the back of the dinghy park. But back to the thinking for a prospective Y&Y article..... the trick is to set out the ground rules first (as in how much do you spend on the donor boat and what the budget is to do this up) and then determine what the specifics of 'success' would be. If it is just a boat to thrash around in then it's easy. If you want a boat capable of winning a race at club level, that's still do-able (see Jim C's comment a page or so back about finding a boat that goes well in one set of conditions) but...how about...setting the criteria as 'an ability to win a club series'......now that is a hard one. I'll keep watching this thread for further ideas and comments but yes, in principle, everything is possible - that is, a budget boat could be done - and the work needed used as the basis for an article! D Ps - in hindsight, last year I was at a club to report on an event and they were scrapping an enterprise in pretty damn good condition. At some point it had blown over, so the gunwale was messed a bit but nothing that a day of work couldn't solve. But in the blow over, the mast had been broken and replaced on insurance with a nice new stick that on examination (the gooseneck is a good place to check on previous use) cannot have been used more than once ot twice - yet was about to be cut up with an angle grinder. So there would have been a classic opportunity.... these boats are out there!
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 4:49pm |
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We don't need articles encouraging this bunch of tightfisted skinflints to go scavenging the country looking to make the nations woodworm homeless due to flooding.
We need articles about challenging things, exciting stuff, new things, that Farr 3.7 lad, we need some intrigue! What happened to the Aura and why did Mr Ovington come back from the Trials peeved off, what skullduggery went on down there? What about those blokes who didn't get to go to the 1980 Olympics and their quest? There's lots more exciting things going on here other than these water pikeys, I heard the local village are getting a petition together to evict Wing Wang for trashing the neighbourhood with all her wooden crap... No wonder no-one reads the stuffy thing.. How about a how to burn your boat without causing a fifty car pile up on the M5 article? What happened to that chicken powered Project X?
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kingdacks
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Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 5:00pm |
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yes but surely renovation of old boats is going back to the core of the sport and the jack holt days. Where you could buy Mirror kit in the paper and make it in your garage. I suspose the natural progression of this is building a moth but thats way beyond my capablity. "Water Pikey" - no thats jet skiing. The article would be great but didnt they do something similar two years ago were they renovated a cadet but there was no set budget and all the stuff was basically given to them by harken. They should set strict criterea and they should race it against modern boats brought today on which is more economically viable and see if the renovation is competive but all efficent ( time spent , moeny)
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RS400atC
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Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 5:04pm |
I'm all for the exciting stuff, but if you get people hooked on sailing when they're young or broke, they will trade up when their cashflow looks up. Better to finish off the old wrecks by sailing them till they fall apart, than to leave them cluttering up gardens or dinghy parks. (old wrecks meaning boats, not ex-'windsurfing dudes' in this context). |
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 5:06pm |
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You can buy Farr 37 kits and build them and that other wooden single hander, forget it's name venture or something like that, I don't see a lot wrong with that.
It's prolonging the old tut image of sailing that damages the image imv, there should be, no there probably are nice lakes in Switzerland with convenient facilities for self determination for all old wooden boat restorers
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kingdacks
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Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 5:09pm |
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I suspose Laser Activate went on this premise over the last year or so. It has sort of fizzled out now but so many lasers were cluttering dinghy parks. Its really sad that some old laser could actually be really competitive.
While im talking if anyone has a rejonvation project or old boat they might want to sell. Put it up on here and ill see if im interested. |
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