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    Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 12:58pm
The guys down at Ardleigh Sailing Club ran a £500 challenge- max budget was £500 for the boat.  They all bought old OKs and had some fantastic fleet racing... it would not nearly have been so successful if they bought all sorts of other sh*t and worried about handicapping each one.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote timeintheboat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 1:02pm
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by winging it

I just love this delusion that a restoration project is a cheap way into getting a boat.  It so isn't. 


An example... I was looking at a vintage Moth the other week. The hull was in astonishingly good condition for its age and needed no work at all beyond cleaning.

I then priced things up to get her in what I consider reasonable club racing order...

New cover £250
replacement second hand mast - maybe £100
new standing rigging - £100
ball bearing blocks, decent rope, new cam cleats, ratchet block - £200-300
trolley refurbishment £75
new sail - £750

So nearly £1500 on a purchase price of around 300 quid, so its getting close to a £2,000 boat. And then after say a season of use you could sell her for maybe £400...


Totally agree, I'm in a similar position. Sound plastic hull (7/10) on offer. Mast, boom, CB and rudder OK. BUT

No usable fittings.
No bailers.
Zero string.
No covers.
No sails.
No combi (trolley from another class)

Without resorting to ebay for any of the above - That's about £1.5 - £2k.

The advantage though is that this spend can be spread - but it won't get you on the water quick.
Like some other things - sailing is more enjoyable when you do it with someone else
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Most class association websites have used sails for sale.
A wanted ad would probably get you on the water quite cheaply in most classes.
If you are really going to use the sails (etc), rather than just collecting spares, many people will turn out to be quite helpful. You won't get shiny harken kit, but simple stuff that functions is often there for the asking, at least on a loan basis.
People want to see more people sailing, racing and teaching sailing, many of us can remember being broke too!

Alas, half decent RS400 kites seem to be in short supply, the one I bought for under £50 a few years ago has now done me well over 100 races and is only fit for windy days. The cost of it per race is probably rising now due to the amount of spinnaker tape!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote patj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 1:23pm

We've got about 10 boats and only one cost more than £500. The cheap ones have given us loads of fun over the years, especially cvrda racing.

Cheapest was £23 for a dinghy park abandoned Lark which was only lacking sails and rudder. Added those and sold on to a student looking for a cheap boat.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote winging it Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 1:50pm
I long for the day when people realise tha tthe way to get faster isn't to buy a 'bandit' or the most expensive kit, it's to look after what you have and then go sailing in it, lots and lots.
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Wing wang?

I didn't hear your deafening response to my offer to rehome your C2.. here


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I paid 700 quid for my British Moth in 1993, over the last 3 seasons I have spent about 1.5 K getting it into a sailable/raceable condition after abandoning it for years, including a 2nd hand combi. I've just ordered a new sail for her as well. If I was any good it would probably do better on the open circuit.

If I sold it (with new sail) I'd probably get ......... £700! (I don't care I'm not selling!)

Mind you, a guy at my club bought a solo recently; fixed it up, raced it and won - he reckons it owes him £375 in total!



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Post Options Post Options   Quote MB226 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 3:10pm
Interesting one this, as several have said, cheapest (to buy) is rarely the cheapest to own. Depends on whether you have a few quid in the first place that you can play with for a year or two. My recent experience was to buy a pretty competitive Phantom at around 5K, came with everything needed in decent nick, nothing needed replacing over 2 season of regular use, then sold it for what I paid for it. Net cost of ownership - 2 seasons insurance and club fees !  I can't think of any sport or pastime that is so cheap. Key to all that is buying carefully in the first place. BTW did a similar thing with an RS300, and even made a profit on that one...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kingdacks Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 3:20pm
I dont have five grand,  isnt part of the fun like doing it up. Sanding, painting, putting new fittings on etc
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Post Options Post Options   Quote MB226 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 3:30pm
Err, not for me. Last time I had a wooden boat, it was handed over to my Dad for him to 'sort' over the winter.  I just sail !
 
Also, fully understand and appreciate not everyone has 5K for a weekend toy. In my explanation to my my Wife when negotiating the acquisition of my plaything and spending (our) spare cash, 'total ownership cost' was the thing that clinched the deal !
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