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| Laser 140101 Tynemouth |
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| Laser 28 - Excellent example of this great design Hamble le rice |
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| Rossiter Pintail Mortagne sur Gironde, near Bordeaux |
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Rockhopper 
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 Topic: Best handicap boatPosted: 18 Apr 12 at 8:03am |
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Anyone in that list that fits your budget and closest to you so dont have to spend too much on the fuel to go and get or better still get someone to drop it off for you
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Retired now after 35 seasons in a row and time for a rest.
2004 national champ Laser5000 2007,2010,National Champ Rs Vareo |
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kingdacks
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Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 8:09am |
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Yes I was only looking at around 500 pound max then having fun renovating as well. From what I ve learned here there doesnt seem to be one bad boat for handicap racing.
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RS400atC
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Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 8:16am |
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It depends where you intend to race, and what the competition is. I think you will find the GP14 quite tough to sail to its PY as there is a long and deep history of quality sailors racing them. However if you want to improve your racing, a mix of PY and GP14 fleet racing would teach most of us a thing or two. But it lacks the speed of any trapeze boat.
IMHO, PY racing is a lot more enjoyable when there are enough boats of similar performance to your own, so that you are mostly on the same leg of the course and some tactical thought still applies. Some people are happier with a big spread of handicaps and just sailing their own race though, it suits their aims of improving their own boat handling with less distraction from other boats perhaps? |
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winging it
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Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 8:27am |
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I just love this delusion that a restoration project is a cheap way into getting a boat. It so isn't. Unless you have a nasty restoration addiction, and thus a huge stash of white powders, amber liquids and lots and lots of bits of hardware, not to mention, sails, tools etc, it is going to cost as much as buying a half decent boat in the first place. Plus of course there's the generous government incentive that mean that my trip to Dorset then Worcester last week in my fruitless pursuit of dinghy perfection cost me around £120 in tax and fuel.
Choose a cheap boat from near you, pimp it just enough so that everything works properly and then train hard. |
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the same, but different...
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Graham T
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Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 8:41am |
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Winging it is so right there - A cheap boat is the most expensive type. I was offered 2 wayfarers, a phantom and a 420 the other day for £50.... I had a quick look and realised I wasn't rich enough to get that lot sailable or even saleable.....
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Osprey 55 "Tebutinnang"
Osprey 1245 "Two Bob Bit" Miracle 1358 "Thumper" |
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Rupert
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Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 8:44am |
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For £500 you should get something that floats in most classes, but look out for something where the sails are still OK, or you can easily spend more than the boat cost getting a new set.
Before buying an old example of a development class (a National 12 might suit you well, for instance) make sure your club is willing to set a handicap which reflects your boat, not the 30 years + of development that has hapened since. |
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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RS400atC
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Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 8:59am |
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Racing on a budget is a complex subject. By the time you include sails, insurance, dinghy park, covers, fuel and accomodation for any events, depreciation on a mid fleet boat pales into insignificance. But people can and do enjoy cheap racing.
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JimC
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Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 9:05am |
An example... I was looking at a vintage Moth the other week. The hull was in astonishingly good condition for its age and needed no work at all beyond cleaning. I then priced things up to get her in what I consider reasonable club racing order... New cover £250 replacement second hand mast - maybe £100 new standing rigging - £100 ball bearing blocks, decent rope, new cam cleats, ratchet block - £200-300 trolley refurbishment £75 new sail - £750 So nearly £1500 on a purchase price of around 300 quid, so its getting close to a £2,000 boat. And then after say a season of use you could sell her for maybe £400... |
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jeffers
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Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 9:09am |
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I paid £1100 for my Laser some 4 years ago now. I spent a little extra getting an 8.1 rig for it (for our Wednesday evening series which is always light winds).
Is it the best handicap boat for my local club - no. Is it the best handicap boat for me - probably not. Does it get me out on the water for some competitive racing - most definitely yes and I can switch between 8.1 for handicap racing and the standard rig for fleet racing. How much have I spent on the boat since....very little aside from a few bits of rope. Would I have been better of buying a £500 shed of a Laser and pimping it.....no it would have cost me the same/more. You need to balance what sort of sailing you are going to do the most and what you want out of your sailing. Not forgetting what you are likely to achieve. I would love to go and do the entire sailjuice series but I simply don't have the time so I concentrate on what is going to give me my competitive 'fix' and also the most enjoyment. IMO what are are asking for at the moment is a little unrealistic given your budget.
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rogue
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Posted: 18 Apr 12 at 9:19am |
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for £500... I'd probably recommend an old Mirror as the renovation costs are going to be limited.
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