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Contender 541 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 05 Location: Burton on Trent Online Status: Offline Posts: 1402 |
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ASok ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Sep 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 739 |
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zippyRN ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 437 |
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What is apparent is that people have chosen to take an antagonistic tone with regard to this discussion - such as accusing me have having an agenda rather than taking the opportunity to discuss something which has moved from 'it'll never happen' to headline news thanks to the incident in Aus Contender 443 - i'm not 'threatening lawyers' comments about 'threatening lawyers kills activities' are patently not true or there wouldn't be any 'amateur' / 'volunteer' activity in the UK at all . However what has become increasingly apparent elsewhere in the voluntary / not-for-profit / charity sector is that this status can't be used as an excuse for poor standards How would the RYA and/or a club defend itself if the 'other side' in a legal action produced RLSS and JRCALC guidelines saying that anyone knocked out due to a head injury is assumed to have a spinal injury until proven while the JRCALC guidelines are written including health professional only procedures, the guidelines minus those procedures are in use for None Paramedic ambulance crews both paid and Volunteer |
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Stuart O ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Jul 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 514 |
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Funny I dont see them saying it will never happen what I see people saying here is that it happens VERY rarely and therefore as a risk factor is treated as such and not ignored.
They would defend themselves based on the risk factor...seriously zippyRN quote numbers. I think you will see that serious head injuries are minute in comparison to those that in the sport...in health and safety terms the risk is LOW. Until told by the RYA that procedures have to altered we should not try and force change based on the back of one tragic accident where there was NO spinal injury and a full investigation has yet to be published. |
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zippyRN ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 437 |
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do some of you people have difficulty in reading ? or in comprehension ?
rather than putting up agressive barriers where's the discussion? - because all i see is head burying and ignorance - 15 -20 years ago the same was happening in other organisations and it took criminal prosecutions to shake them out of their complacency .
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r2d2 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 29 Sep 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 350 |
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ZippyRN there are collectively 100s of years dinghy sailing experience on this forum and in this thread and those people just do not agree with you. You haven't made a convincing argument or presented the evidence for it. Rather than resorting to criticising people, it might be better to think carefly about what they have said. |
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Stuart O ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Jul 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 514 |
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Barriers??? Ignorance?????
a discussion is a 2 way thing. I certainly have read your posts with interests....but when we direct you and explain to you why sailing clubs do not follow what you say you round on us. IF you feel that strongly talk to the RYA as they lead ALL clubs in this country and IF they agree they will direct us. BUT please explain to me why most running clubs dont have spine boards. Its the same reasons as sailing clubs...they HAVE carried out risk assessments and the risk is so low they dont accept them as a risk |
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ex laser ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 25 Mar 09 Online Status: Offline Posts: 725 |
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ASok ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Sep 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 739 |
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ZippyRN - as I understand it from reading your links, head trauma needs to treated in a manner where you assume neck and spinal trauma.
However, your links from earlier cite references that suggest only 39% of injuries were recorded on the upper body. 32% was logged as head injury. This reference (your first link) cites that all injuries 'even minor ones' were recorded. This study doesn't provide a firm basis for decision making and changing policy. The injuries recorded during the study could be everything from a minor bump to a huge whack. The studies really highlighted that long term injuries (knees, lower back) are the most significant issue. The collective anecdotal experience on here supports your cited data that serious head and spinal injuries don't occur as often as you may believe. These boards do contain a great deal of reference to long term pains such as knee and back issues. Maybe this is the longer term issue that isn't being adequately addressed. I'm not saying you are wrong about the spinal treatment issue, but leaping into additional safety cover without calculating the risks seems absurd to me. |
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Stuart O ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Jul 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 514 |
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Could also be that the knee and lower back injuries are the route cause of neck and spinal pain, and not a head trauma. In my profession whenever someone comes in with neck pain I always check ankles, knees, shoulders and wrists...and I would say it is these are more common and that need better primary care.
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