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    Posted: 14 Jan 12 at 8:21am
We're a couple sailing together and we just don't "do a series" because they are very long (often 16 races) and we have other things in our lives.  We just turn up and race when we can and when the weather suits us.
 
We're also members at two clubs (one distant larger water, one local puddle) and sail some class events so our sailing has more choice and mobility. That is a factor that often isn't considered, as many club series have been the same format since the heyday of the sixties and seventies when members travelled less and had less options.
 
If there's a one day trophy we are more likely to attend but the long series are offputting.
I only show interest in series results when I'm checking I got things right as race officer!


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Post Options Post Options   Quote sargesail Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jan 12 at 8:48pm
And mine would be very happy if we could sail every weekend but there is the minor issue of childcare.

But give it another 23 years and will be as footloose and fancy free as Chris and Gill.  Wink
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RE:>>  but these days relatively few people will succeed in staying married if they go sailing every weekend
In that case, I must be one of the few! My wife would get very upset if we didn't go sailing every weekend, as well as spending at least 2 if not 3 weeks of our summer holiday racing somewhere...
 
(It does help that I married my crew about 33 years ago!).
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I've been argueing over this at our club for years, the committee seem to go for around 75% of races to count and believe it's an incentive for people to turn up.....
 
They are so wrong......
 
We have long series with maybe 2-4 boats completing enough races, turnouts have dropped off over the last 3-4 years and although there may be other reasons for this I do believe this is a contributing factor.
I did try and research other clubs a year or so back (just via posted results on club sites) and found the 50% or 50%+1 to count was by far the most common.
 
Personally I believe, as others have already said, that asking/expecting more that 50% is unrealistic and actually puts people off attending, but there are just some people you can't reason with...
 
 


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In my old club we also changed it to number of discards 50%+1 and dropped the qualification rule

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Post Options Post Options   Quote jeffers Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jan 12 at 5:14pm
At Hunts we found that some series were not getting a second or 3rd place boats because you had to do a set number of races (50%+1) to qualify for a series.
 
This was reviewed and chage so that 50%+1 was the number of races you had to complete before you got in to discard territory meaning someone who did 1 or 2 shy or the require number can still get an overall position.
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Originally posted by Fraggle

At my old club it was 50% plus one to count.

 
Same here...... to avoid penalising those that can't turn up every week.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Kev M Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jan 12 at 4:43pm
Thanks all, I guess it's a common way of doing it after all.

I do like your idea though Ian.  What other sports use discards in this way?


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Ian29937 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jan 12 at 4:21pm
I've long thought a high point scoring system is the answer. 
Last place in a race gets 1 point, last but oine 2 etc
 
Rewards attendance, rewards winners of well attended races, removes the games you play as discards come into play..
 
Never seen it used anywhere though.
 
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50% for a series with an even number of races, 50% + 1 for an odd number.
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