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zippyRN ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 437 |
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In the light of incident in Aus discussed here http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8905&title=unfortunate-event-at-australian-youth-championship maybe it's time for another 'rescue' topic
my first question primarily to those who advocate single crew rescue boats or rescue crews where the 'crewman' is not dressed to enter the water - how would you deal with this especially if it were a single hander or the crew of the casualty vessel was not 'together' enough ( or in the case of club racing where the crew might be a child and the helm a parent - physically capable of assisting )? with my Health Professional Head on - my first thought and the first thought of marshals and first aid / ambulance personnel at a motorsport even where you have a competitor knocked out would be the possibility of spinal injury How many clubs even possess Spinal immobilisation kit never mind routinely carry it on rescue boats and have crews trained to use it - use of a long extrication board is a core part of the pool lifeguard qualification in fact Ferno make a specific model of board for aquatic use http://www.ferno.co.uk/product/aquaboard although the majority of long extrication boards are buoyant and water proof ( being either rotomoulded or GRP ) while straps and head restraints might not be . You can't rely on the Ambulance service being able to assist in a timely manner as ordinary crews aren't water rescue trained - so we'd be relying on HART or the the Fire and Rescue service inland and the RNLI / Coastguard in coastal waters I have visions of spending 30 or 40 minutes 'on scene' with a hypoxic head injured patient who is being handled poorly , and becoming more and more hypothermic because of a lack of preparation |
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sargesail ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459 |
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Zippy,
I'm puzzled by this. I get the fact that they might have a spinal injury. However surely in the majority of the conditions in which an injury would occur they would not only be at risk of drowning and hypothermia as you mention but would also have a very mobile spine due to the waves and the requirement to support them. Next someone will be suggesting that I shouldn't lift their face from the water if they are wearing a BA not a lifejacket because thee might be spinal damage. Surely the speeds and impacts are much less than motorsport an the risks of spinal injury much reduced. Totally agree that rescue boats must have 2 crew.
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zippyRN ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 437 |
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unless it was some horrid short chop an inert, 'relaxed' body in the water wouldn't be undergoing a lot of violent movement and is supported fairly evenly along their length by being semi immersed ( assuming they are in BA, wetsuit / drysuit +/- trap harness ) rather than ragging them about and them flopping all over the place as they are dragged from the water over the the side of a rescue boat and dumped in a heap on the floor ...
the gold standard would be to roll them while trying to keep them in line
still fairly high energy - and stuff like BMX (racing rather than the stunt / freestyle stuff)) still has the same sort of marshalling and medic-ing considerations despite lower energies it's a fair old whack to knock someone out
if you look at previous debates on here it's suprising that there isn't consensus on this or that you need to be ready to go in the water as rescue crew to save life or limb
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zippyRN ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 437 |
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Sarge i found your last reply hard to read
i'm not sure of any SCIs from Sailing but given the fact Tess Lloyd was knocked clean out and needed Neurosurgery and is still anaesthetisted on ICU ... boat to boat collisions is not necessarily the issue ,although someone on the wire thrown forward in a collision or someone struck by a boom with the full force of a crash gybe is getting a lot of energy exchange in a short period of time as for the point about an unconcious crewmember and their partner holding on to them and the boat the unconcious person is either going to be on their back being held / towed in the classical lifeguarding 'chin tow' or semi erect pulled up again their crewmate with one of their crewmates arms under their axilla 'hugging' them to keep their head out of the water ( resting on their crewmates shoulder ) and the other arm treading water or holding on to the boat . wrong guess on the RN ... given the topic is casualty management what else might it mean ? ( to save people from further puzzlement I'm a registered Nurse and my clinical background is in three main areas - prehospital care, Emergency departments and Spinal injuries rehab)
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OK - I'll park my concerns. Had you been an RN waterborne medical specialist I'd maybe have seen it differently, but without any evidence of spinal injuries and with just one case where I don't htink we we even know the mechanism of injury I'm not going to worry about equioment or training.
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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The simple answer is make sure you club mandates all boats with a 'safety'role to have 2 able bodied people on board, one of whom is dressed to enter the water.
It is common sense if you ask me but should be written down.
We have the rule at Hunts and we are a small inland club where the shore is never much more than 30 secnds way by powerboat at full throttle.
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radixon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2407 |
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The RYA Safety boat course or first aid course do not deal with spinal boards. I dont think it is something that should worry us. Hyperthermia and drowning are more of an issue with sailing than having a back injury.
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zippyRN ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 437 |
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Hypothermia is a significant consideration, but cold shock is more likely to kill you
and why might people sailing drown ? because of head and neck injuries from the boom striking them or being struck by another boat ... the " it'll never happen " has happened with the unfortunate incident in Aus , will it take a fatality for attitudes to change ? Edited by zippyRN - 16 Jan 12 at 10:48pm |
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zippyRN ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 437 |
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For those asking aobut injury prevalence etc - a very quick and dirty literature review throws up a variety of discussion in professional literature as well as general news items and specific information from sailing clubs
part of the problem is drilling down through all the over use vs acute trauma and the fact that 'sailing' as a whole can cover a variety of disciplines - including windsurfing and kiteboarding at times as well as dinghy / keelboat/ yacht
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