Handicap racing now pointless?

sock puppet?

I'm glad you enjoyed the local hospitality at the Dash Rodney! Why on earth were you locked out for 1/2 an hour????

Originally posted by rodney 'Sock puppet' did I say that

no, that's was in reference to the OP's lack of recent comment.

Regarding re-entry into Draycote after hours.... Scaling the barriers is one way in... there are also hidden footpaths that take you around the back of the lake apparently, although you need to be careful as there was a spate of 'dogging' going on not so long ago. I would just like to confirm that there was no truth in the rumours that the former or current committee members were actively involved in said activity, but I wouldn't be so sure about the local Fireball fleet.

Edited by rogue - 10 Jan 12 at 4:16pm

Originally posted by Thunder Road My sailing club only has Solos and Lasers as individual classes, plus a large Handicap class, we in the latter are treated like second class citizens, but how would a former second row forward fit in our one design fleets? Not very well I think. But this does not stop the endless, pointless rubbish from our committee to the point of exclusion of events not related to those classes. I enjoy sailing against other Finns and travel as far as the USA to do it, but I also enjoy my handicap races and Saturday training informal racing, just leave us to enjoy ourselves.

+1

Originally posted by marke Jackre: "I've got a business to run so it's not the only thing on the to do list"I'm just guessing here - but I expect the GWSC and QMSC sailing committees also have businesses to run, people to teach, reports to write and families to support.  My guess is that doing the time-consuming PY data analysis for every new boat that might enter their event struggles to make it on to their "to do" list as well.  I think they should all get our thanks for the mountains of work they must have put in to get the SJ numbers aligned across all the data they did use.  As others have said - its early days - but it looks to be working.Now if the CA who stand to benefit from the analysis could do it and present it as a short one-pager it might add more weight to your request for the handicap you think would be fairer.  Just a thought

Lets all put our names in a hat and draw lots, that'll save all the work.

At what point in my post did I say I wasn't going to do any work to help find the right number.

I'm just trying to find out the formula they have used to come up with the number they did, and why it differs from the first number I was given in the same series of races.

Other than that my point is a moral / philosophical one about the validity of a 'race' where the system is not consistently applied over the enterents, for reasons like you state above.

I can't think of any other SPORT that accepts that as a norm.

I'm sure someone will come along and enlighten me to one as soon as I have pressed send!

Edited by Jack Sparrow - 10 Jan 12 at 6:07pm

Originally posted by RS400atC 1016 and 1005 is a change of 1.09%.Hardly earth shattering, what was the spread in any of the 'class' fleets at these events?Why is anyone getting excited about a trapeze boat with a 4 digit handicap?Is the wonderboat no faster than a blaze or a finn?

I'm not getting excited, it just a simple question. That helps me understand more about the boat. It's not a 'wounder boat'. In fact unusually I am promoting the boat as slower than people are suggesting it is. That's my point. But the Farr is a great boat to sail. And especially for youth to learn to trapeze on. It's not that fast, it's pretty stable, but is very skippy and responsive.

My other point is quite separate from trying to understand how and why. And that is concerned with the legitimacy of a 'race' when some of the competitors are not racing on equal terms.

If you don't like to talk about such things you don't have to, you know.