Grafham Grand Prix

Mike, do you ask for all of the data from the RYA too?

Not recently but a while back I was involved with club returns.   Those who might be uncertain about change there could ask I'm sure ... the number of official returns from clubs have however been sufficient for the Blaze to have 'secondary status' for some years now.   If the numerical returns from clubs indicate change is needed I'm sure they can be justified by reference to the numbers employed.  In short there is confidence in this long standing system and its method is hardly 'unknown'.

I and many others have no problem with PNs being adjusted over time based on published numbers or as with the GGP them being adjusted to take into account 'open water' or whatever (though wind speed might have a much greater impact imo).    However what on earth is the problem with making more explanation public ??   There are concerns about consistency in application.  Are the changes entirely being made on numerical analysis - Yes or No ? If the answer is anything less than an emphatic 'Yes' and/or indicated adjustments are not being applied with total consistency then a bit of explanation would be warranted.

Now you may think the concerns are irrelevant, troublesome, wrongly motivated or even petty but that is exactly why the numerical data they are based upon should and must be made available.    In short reasonable enquiries about method and application should not be taken as criticism.

Mike L.

Originally posted by blaze720 ... say 60 points on the 600 at Burghfield should do it!Neptune - I was thinking you in particular might just like that idea.  Said in a jovial manner but a serious point.  Fair is fair ... for all ...or have we got that wrong  ?Peaky - GGP ? not this time as committed elsewhere tomorrow but if you are going good luck.  Maybe we should race together at Chew or even BSC some time.  RU doing 'The Dash' btw ? Mike L.

Why are you picking on me    

....... you haven't got that wrong at all.  Its exactly how the RYA PY system is supposed to work - look at the text that the RYA publish with their numbers each year.

Hi Marke

Read a long time ago but thanks  ... which is why I posed the idea of adjustment the other way.  Anyone pushing for adjustment the other way would surely point to or supply a bit of numerical analysis as well.   There is good intent behind the initiative at GGP etc  ... of course ... but it needs to be partnered with full transparency, consistency in application and access to numbers/results used for anyone with an interest.   < 30 seconds or less to send an excell spreadsheet with data/method ..   

May all be a tad inconvenient but that is the way of the world these days.  Ronnie Reagan once said of the arms negotiations with the USSR a while back something along the lines of ' trust them ? - of course .. but always check'

Mike L.

Nope Mike - you haven't got that wrong at all.  Its exactly how the RYA PY system is supposed to work - look at the text that the RYA publish with their numbers each year.

If the SailJuice series were run on small puddles then I would expect to see the faster boat numbers moving in the other direction - but it isn't - its on open waters.

I can't make the GGP but will be at the Bloody Mary next week. Not sure about the Dash, might make one day but Feb is v busy.