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furtive ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 188 |
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Facts found in the protest decision report. Based on the evidence presented they concluded that Ben didn't punch anyone. Unless new evidence is presented the hearing won't get re-opened and therefore the facts won't change. All that's left now is whether the RYA (and if not then ISAF) choose to take any further action based on the report that they'll receive from the Jury. (Statement on this process from the RYA is on the front page now).
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Roger ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Mar 04 Location: Somerset Online Status: Offline Posts: 524 |
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Of course they are, but thats before the race starts!!!!!!
You dont see them standing 50m away down lane 5 forcing the athlete to run round them?????
My post quite clearly states that they expect a payback, I just dont believe that they are expecting prime time TV coverage, this is not the Americas Cup.
Unless you say otherwise I'm assuming you have not read Ben Ainslie's contract with any of his sponsors, I know I haven't, but I have in the past had some involvement is sponsorship of competitors in minor sport, from the corporate view point.
The value comes in many ways and often the ability to have pictures of said competitor in your branded gear, or logo on their equipment is very valuable, running to tens thousands pounds worth. Get that athlete to give a couple of motivational talks to staff, a couple of corporate events they speak at and you have tens thousands more value, then use them in your advertising and the value increases further, it's not all about TV coverage.
If by chance you get some prime time coverage it's often a bonus, and it's not unknown for athletes to have bonuses if they do get extra coverage, same as bonuses for winning events as this by definition gives extra coverage.
Those with connections to the main olympic sponsors will be very valuable, thats why the likes of BP, Visa, Omega, BMW, McDonalds etc have signed them up, but Olympic rules are very very strict, its event sponsors only that will get the coverage in stadia and around event sites, and they are quite rightly being clever about who they sign up.
In the UK Olympic TV coverage will come from the BBC, with some Eurosport coverage too, Eurosport will be the only commercial TV channel to have any Olympic coverage in the UK.
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rogue ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 978 |
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yep- they're beginning to distance themselves to create a facade of impartiality.... |
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Roger ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Mar 04 Location: Somerset Online Status: Offline Posts: 524 |
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I would say it looks like he's stepping over the guy in the front of the boat so he can dive off the bow.. and thats all...
Just looking at the stills is always going to be missleading and we shouldn't jump to any conclusions, although if he did throw punches then I have no doubt it would have come out by now.....
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Steve411 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Sep 08 Location: Cheddar, Somerset, England Online Status: Offline Posts: 705 |
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That's because he is now world champ and children love winners - that's why so many of them support Man Utd, Chelsea et al rather than the local club.
I have to say, Ben Ainslie has gone up in my opinion after this. Good on him for venting his feeling (even if, in hindsight, he wish he hadn't). I once nearly landed in the back of a photographer's boat going downwind because he left it far too late to get out of the way.
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2547 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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yes yes, we all know that the facts found are not always the facts ... the good news is that all parties seem to be keen to diffuse this with as little fuss as possible; good spin control by the RYA ![]() However, you don't bother boarding another craft in anger just to have words and those pictures show "contact" and people opposite BA recoiling backwards ... |
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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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Roger, I'm not going to argue with you, I'm just going to state that I have been sponsored as a sailor myself, so I know exactly how it works, I work for a sports NGB - a fairly major one - under contract, so I know how major sponsorship deals work, and I live with someone who will be on the pitch inside the Olympic stadium as a Field Judge for both the Olympics and Paralympic. Said person has as part of their duties ensuring that no sponsorship is visible apart from what is allowed, so I have a pretty good idea of that too.
Oh, and yes, I have seen an athlete run into a photographer. as I said, they're all over the place. |
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the same, but different...
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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It is quite telling the the ISAF channel on YouTube has daily summaries for all days except day 10. There is mention of the IJ role in the Day 11 summary in the preview to the Finn medal race.
The coverage (at least on the 25 minute shows) looks pretty good, lots of GPS tracking and graphics to illustrate where the key players are and some pretty good filming too. Even if some of it is a little misleading.
Be interesting to see the lessons learnt from this for the media side. Given the equipment available to media people there should be no need to be right close in unless they are performing a post race interview (perhaps thats why the boat did not get the hell out of there after the race?).
Yes yes I have read about the SIs saying that media boats will be on the course and are not required to stay out of the way, that, IMO, definitely needs to be addressed and the media boat drivers should be thoroughly briefed as to the effects they can have even inadvertantly. Perhaps having RIB drivers who also sail might help here?
Time will tell, i am sure there is still much to be said on this issue but I doubt we will hear about the media side just the 'public' side if the RYA/ISAF decide to that a hearing and further snctions are warranted.
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Here's a thought. I was recently on safety duty for a major inlands, with an entry of around 100 boats. It was pretty brisk, so there were plenty of capsizes. My fellow safety boat driver was a complete sailor, so when we had to power up the middle of the fleet to get to a nasty looking incident, I did the driving and had to predict which way the boats were going to go, and try to guess which boat looked likely to tack my way. I was a last minute stand in, suppose the original crew had also been a non sailor?
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the same, but different...
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Stuart O ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Jul 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 514 |
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The IJ will and can and will only report the facts found in the protest room to ISAF and YA. So the fact was found that he didnt 'hit' anyone will go in BA favour...but and gross misconduct suspensions are running between 16-24 months.
YA and ISAF have indicated the media 'intrusion' has occured on sevreal race courses at the worlds but this is bound to happen as they learn as this amount of media coverage has NEVER been tried before.
I put it to all that this will also go in BA favour, but equally BA is not only a hero in the UK but around the world so IMHO they will be leaniant with him, I dont think they will want to put in a ban that will cover the olympics. They will look at the bigger picture (and I mean the only one that ISAF appear to care about) ie the olympics and realise BA is major draw, so a 3 month immediate suspension or a suspended sentence for 2 years
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