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JimC 
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 Topic: Bring back the BiffPosted: 12 Dec 11 at 3:04pm |
pour envourager les autres? In the general scheme of things you do not get a second chance if you strike another competitor or official. You get a two year ban the first time. And to my mind that's a good thing. Every sailor should know that. In this case mitigating circumstances are very great provocation and that he seems to have managed to refrain from throwing punches. I'm glad I don't have to adjudicate on this one. He probably doesn't deserve a full two year ban, but the games are only a few months away. |
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Roger
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Posted: 12 Dec 11 at 2:57pm |
In the majority of other sports TV cameras and media are banned from the field of play, the reason being that the result of the contest must be exactly the same whether the cameras were there or not, if the result of the event was different because the media interfered then we should revisit our priorities.
The obsession seems to be with close up, get in there with them coverage, something that actually spoils the sailing in my view (dinghy sailing for sure), the best shots are usually from the air and show several boats not just one. Sailors watching can then judge positions and tactics being employed far better, occasional closer shots of boats rounding marks etc can break this up, they of course usually come from static boats to windward or leward of the course.
I would also say that I am not privvy to the arrangements made with Ben's sponsors or anybody elses for that matter, do the sponsors actually expect high level TV coverage to the non sailor? I doubt that very much (but they got it over the weekend), they probably expect a little to the sailing public, and the use of their athlete in the printed press, internet adverts and for the athlete to carry out a set amount of PR appearances each year.
Remember there will be no sponsors logo's at the Olympic Event, infact no mention of sponsors at all.
It is quite clear from the video/TV coverage of the race that along the last leg the rib was within a couple of boatlengths max of the lead boat, you can also see how he was benefiting from the wake, unfortunatly I have not yet seen how this impacted on Ben Ainslie (there may not even be coverage of this).
To sum up a few thoughts...
BA did wrong, he should not have reacted as he did.
He has been punished, and may well be punished further.
The media/TV boat was well out of order.
If the media/TV boat was not breaking any rules or guidance given then the authorities should take the responsibility.
If the media/TV boat was breaking the rules then the driver and the producer should be sanctioned.
Overall its a bit of a sorry tale that I am sure everybody involved in now wishes hadn't happened, but as it did, should be dealt with by those in posession of the full facts, I hate lynch mobs.
I also doubt there has been a similar situation that ISAF have had to deal with before, so trying to predict any outcome is purely speculative.
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winging it
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Posted: 12 Dec 11 at 2:44pm |
Absolutely right. Why was Bolt chucked out of the 100m world champs? Because he was blamed for his one false start. Why are they only given one false start? Because tv complained about the number of starts they may have messing with their schedules. |
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Sheetpuller
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Posted: 12 Dec 11 at 2:09pm |
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Any ISAF involvement would be interesting and is bound to lead to further scuttlebutt in the press. The Secretary-General of ISAF is Jerome Pels, who just happens to be Ben's brother-in-law...
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getafix
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Posted: 12 Dec 11 at 1:48pm |
wrong, wrong, wrong Ben has apologised Press boat personel have apologised Ben's been binned from the racing & event He's been interviewed and admitted he was wrong and said sorry Case closed. Why should he get punished some more? what does that achieve? He's not a gov't minister for sport or some kind of politician who should resign "on principle" and his actions post this event are an example; be contrite, apologise, then shut up. There's many <dozens> of sports people who could learn a great deal from that! it bugs me (can't you tell) when we "witch hunt" people in this country for making mistakes we forgive of others all too easily.... just a personal opinion mind you! |
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Strangler
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Posted: 12 Dec 11 at 1:37pm |
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TV is GOD An illustration from 2007 - At the first
Euro Olympic event this year Race Officers were under instruction to reduce the number of general recalls to allow TV to keep to their schedule. This led to some ludicrous unrecalled starts with some boats as much as 40 metres over. [Scuttlebutt] |
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winging it
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Posted: 12 Dec 11 at 1:15pm |
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How dare the media intrude? Easily, because without them stars like Ben wouldn't get sponsorship, races like the VOR wouldn't tale place, and awful lot of products wouldn't get developed because the sponsors wouldn't be there to fund such development. Ben has the lifestyle he enjoys because of madia presenc, and he knows it.
I'm not saying I want him banned, I'm saying I doubt the matter will end here. I'm not saying the media boats are right to intrude on the race course but, they do have to have a presence because they are now, like it or not, crucial to the sport. Nearly everyone on this forum will watch and enjoy youtube or other video clips courtesy of media intrusion; you can't have your cake and eat it! Unfortunately - and somewhat stupidly, as Sparky said - ISAF and the Australian sailing authorities chose to make this a test ground for the provision of tv coverage for such events, presumably ready for next year, and clearly their experiment has failed in spectacular fashion. |
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Ruscoe
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Posted: 12 Dec 11 at 12:43pm |
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If you draw comparrisons to football, Wayne Rooney who actually stamped on the back of a players leg and got a 4 game international ban had his Ban reduced by UEFA. This is in front of Millions of people including children, he is massively in the public eye. He is a role model to millions of more children the Ben Ainsle could dream of, as mentioned earlier this is not the first time he has done something violent and mindless but yet he only recieves a couple of match ban. Ben was right to be frustrated and if this is going to be a problem for the Olympics surely its better that it gets dealt with now and Press boats have to be kept at reasonable distance. As mentioned earlier i beleive this is the first time we have ever seen a flustered Ainsle, surely he deserves a wrning prior to a Ban??
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2547
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Posted: 12 Dec 11 at 12:10pm |
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The media is getting to close to our sport and spoiling the events ...
Ben will have to take his punishment but I suspect he'll get a warning ... a ban would be well OTT. Here is an example of media getting in the way ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYPDAry-A-s I am sure there are many more ... |
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rodney
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Posted: 12 Dec 11 at 11:47am |
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Fast forward to August 2012.... TV boat dashes Ainslie's hopes for GOLD! TV boat dashes Goodison's hopes for GOLD! Etc. This could/may happen with ISAF's sweeping decision to modify the rules in such a way that there are no rights to request redress for a situation entirely outside the control of a competitor. ISAF need to get a grip on media boats and ensure that this situation just can't happen. Even worse, they have opened up the possibility for a media boat to deliberately impede a boat's speed? I, for one, would love to see a statement from those who were on board the TV boat that started all of this! FYI I heard from a friend, who saw the sequence of events that led to this, on Dutch TV and he was in no doubt that the RIB did impede Ben's performance. That, from what I understand, was in spite of requests to get out of the way. |
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