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    Posted: 11 Dec 11 at 8:16am
The other thing is that the RIB has an outboard on it...the driver could have just got the hell out of there avoiding this whole sorry state of affairs in the first place.
 
There was a mention about the drivers being amateur. i would say in this case as it was a media boat it is likely drivers qualifications would have been scrutinised, he would also have been throughly briefed as to where he could and could not go and from the sequences was clearly too close.
 
Not that any of the above excuses the action of Ben but, as has already been mentioned, in the heat of the moment we all do things out of character. The problem that Ben has is that he now needs to rebuild his reputation as Mr Cool in the sailing world and cannot afford any more mistakes. That is pending any further action of course, of which I, for one, hope there is none.
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It's interesting to see the reaction of the 'general public' on Yahoo http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/10122011/58/ainslie-dq-d-media-boat-altercation.html


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Lots of interesting comments, mostly supportive to Ben and critical of the press! Good to see in my book.
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Originally posted by jeffers

Lots of interesting comments, mostly supportive to Ben and critical of the press!

I bet its very different on non UK fora...

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An Aussie press report. Not as pritsan as the UK reports but not exact damning either.
 
 
And some AU based comments here
 
Hardly damning for Ben, more damning for the powerboat driver still. Had it been a Aussie Finn sailor in contention it may have been a little more partisan but overall the reporting looking pretty balanced and they all say very similar things.
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Just looked through the sequence of photos on the seceond link, he really wasn't on the media boat for that long at all.
 
Were I driving that boat I would have got the hell out of there, or at least kept far enough away that he could rant and not jump aboard (I was trying to work out how he boarded the media boat without assistance, seems the boat as that close he sailed over and jumped ship).
 
As I have said before clearly unacceptable from Ben but also clearly unacceptable from the boat driver. I hope he is being censured by the orgainisers and is not allowed to drive for the rest of the event.
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This was in one of the replies to the telegraph article.
"In the sailing instruction it does say media boats maybe in the race course and you can not protest for them being there."
 
So if you can`t protest someone for impending your progress in a world championship what should you do instead ??
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Originally posted by bert

So if you can`t protest someone for impending your progress in a world championship what should you do instead ?

If the other boat was directly under the control of the organising authority or the organising authority had stated that the racecourse would be kept clear of media boats then you could try a request for redress (don't know how good your chances would be, and you might end up with average points), otherwise you're in the same position as anyone who's been cut up in Chichester harbour in a race: you can only claim redress if there's injury or damage to your boat.
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You know what, I'll fly against most mainstream UK sailing opinion and say I hope Ainslie gets punished to the nth degree of what is possible. If I walk into work tomorrow, and act to another in a threatening way, irregardless of whether I'm in the right or wrong, I'll expect to be punished appropriately and my P45 to be in the post.

I have coached a lot of budding youths in my time, at the base of all I've done, I've always said you must act in a sporting way, whether you are getting shafted or not. You MUST always take the moral highground. You must be whiter than white, it's a basic fundamental if you are aiming to be a sporting icon. Ben has just undermined that, thanks a lot, much appreciated... NOT. For what it's worth, hope Ben gets what's coming and Giles storms home with a medal.


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Putting aside the rights and wrongs of what happened, how is it possible to be disqualified from two races for one infringement? Indeed, that infringement did not even occur during a race. What would happen if he'd waited until they were in the bar before remonstrating with the photographer? There are loads of guys who get towed or given drinks bottles after the race by their coach boat - if the rules still apply shouldn't they be dsq for assistance?

Edited by Peaky - 12 Dec 11 at 12:11am
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