Bring back the Biff

   As i said in the other thread before seeing this one, i am not really sure why the protest should have affected the race that he had already finished.  I would have thought a dsq from the event would be acceptable but to actually change a race score for an incident that happened outside of racing is a bit strange.  

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laser193713 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 13 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 889	Post Options Post Reply Quote laser193713 Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Bring back the Biff Posted: 10 Dec 11 at 4:57pm
	As i said in the other thread before seeing this one, i am not really sure why the protest should have affected the race that he had already finished. I would have thought a dsq from the event would be acceptable but to actually change a race score for an incident that happened outside of racing is a bit strange.

winging it Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958	Post Options Post Reply Quote winging it Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10 Dec 11 at 4:50pm
	and what will his sponsors do? doesn't look too good for them either.
	the same, but different...

Stuart O Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 22 Jul 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 514	Post Options Post Reply Quote Stuart O Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10 Dec 11 at 4:39pm
	Firstly let me say my heart goes out to Ben for a moment of stupidity when his blood must have been boiling. But the rules would have protected him if he was impeded in anyway...and then to sail in a race after being black flagged is an automatic DMG. However he still can be called to answer despite scoring DMG so what will the RYA do?...wont look good them banning a member of the Olympic Team.... CAS allows for a dsq at the event and for further action to be taken IF the further action is reasonable and appropriate (yeah Im not sure on that one either)...but hey if Rooney can get away with what he did Im sure Ben can too

sargesail Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459	Post Options Post Reply Quote sargesail Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10 Dec 11 at 4:39pm
	Mark +1 across the board there!

Lukepiewalker Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 24 May 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1341	Post Options Post Reply Quote Lukepiewalker Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10 Dec 11 at 4:35pm
	All things being equal, it's something he (and we) could do without...
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Mark Jardine Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Admin Group Joined: 12 Mar 04 Location: Milford-on-Sea, United King Online Status: Offline Posts: 1028	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mark Jardine Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10 Dec 11 at 4:35pm
	I can completely understand where Ben was coming from on this one. This incident has cost him the World Championship but lets hope that it doesn't cost him far more. Ben's blood must have been boiling at the time and I can totally understand his anger towards the media boat. Let's hope that the International Jury decide that his disqualification from races 9 and 10 are punishment enough for his actions after the race and the situation can be resolved without further sanctions against Ben. Having been involved myself in a Rule 69 Hearing I can say that they are a very nasty business indeed. Then can also totally disillusion you with high-level competition. I spent two very long nights in a hearing in Holland in 2003 during a World Championship and, even though the allegations against me were found to be untrue, I took the decision never to compete in a worlds again. All the best Ben, we're all with you.

Lukepiewalker Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 24 May 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1341	Post Options Post Reply Quote Lukepiewalker Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10 Dec 11 at 4:29pm
	I'm not sure how it stands, looking at the rules there could be further sanction from the RYA. But on the other hand the CAS has been quite clear that you can't punish people twice for the same infraction, so seeing as he has those DMG's I'm not sure what happens next.
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chrisg Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 23 Mar 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 893	Post Options Post Reply Quote chrisg Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10 Dec 11 at 4:14pm
	Will be interested to see the outcome of this one...

sargesail Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459	Post Options Post Reply Quote sargesail Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10 Dec 11 at 3:57pm
	Yes just check - DGM is as Doug H says and is not excludable. Ben ends up 11th so no Medal Race. As long as there is no further sanction then I think he must see that as a good outcome. But when I look at that photo sequence I can see why his blood was boiling and I feel for him completely.

Guests Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Quote Reply Posted: 10 Dec 11 at 3:53pm
	The perth site says he's to be scored DGM for races 9&10 which I'm guessing stands for Disqualified for Gross Misconduct. Although as he was black flagged in race 10, this only really has an effect on race 9. Not sure if it will go further still........