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StephanieG ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 16 Location: Arizona Online Status: Offline Posts: 2 |
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totally agree
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Isis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Sep 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2753 |
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The mechanics of the two boats are exactly the same. If you are confident sailing a 420 then you wont find the J22 to be anything to worry about.
The main difference is the crew number - 420s obviously sail with 2 crew and their roles are fairly well defined. J22s have a crew weight limit of 275kg which typically means 3-4 crew. Exactly what jobs these crew do and how they do them will change from boat to boat. If you know what you will be doing on the boat we can offer some more detailed advice. |
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alstorer ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 07 Location: Cambridge Online Status: Offline Posts: 2899 |
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It is the technique forum, you're not wrong. Sorry i can't offer any advice, but hopefully knowledgable people will be along soon to help!
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lizzerrslitherr ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 26 Oct 11 Location: MKE/Denver Online Status: Offline Posts: 3 |
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Although I do appreciate the rest of the input, you are correct. I doubt that I'll be purchasing a boat in the near future. This is the technique forum, correct? Or should I move it somewhere else?
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Mister Nick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Aug 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 389 |
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If you can afford it, dry sailing is a FAR better option. Anti fouling takes up an insane amount of time at the beginning of every season, and you still have to scrub the boat regularly because it doesn't work all that well. Plus you don't have to play that big a part in it moving the boat, you just make sure the yard knows you want the boat in and out on certain dates and they should do it for you. Where I sail, everyone has swinging moorings and they are a pain. You have to pay extra cash for a rib or dory or whatever to get you out to it, they tend to be very exposed in rough weather and you are limited to the boat to flake sails and whatever. Plus, if you rip a sail or something then getting it ashore in a 5m rib, with 8 people and all their gear on board is a challenge. Plus the boat regularly needs cleaning, anti fouling helps but by no means does it totally prevent growth. You need a scrub at least once a month to keep the boat competitive. |
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r2d2 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 29 Sep 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 350 |
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ASok ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Sep 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 739 |
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Completely disagree. If you can afford it then dry sailing a small keelboat is the best option. Easier to keep clean and no antifouling. Its no hassle at all.
Swinging moorings are actually more of a hassle than they sound. You have to motor or paddle out to get your boat. The outboard won't work, someone stolen your tender, the water taxi is busy taking everyone else up the river etc. etc.
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alstorer ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 07 Location: Cambridge Online Status: Offline Posts: 2899 |
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I'm going to guess that the original poster has merely been asked along to sail on one, rather than thinking of getting one for herself? I think she may be more interested in the actual sailing (crewing?) technique than the nitty gritty of ownership.
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bferry ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 09 Location: Malta Online Status: Offline Posts: 190 |
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IMO I wouldn’t dream of launching/recovering the boat after every sail. Its a guaranteed way to ensure that you will not use the boat often and abandon it at a later stage. A swinging mooring is definitely the better option. Otherwise just stick to dinghy sailing: less costly, easier to handle and more likely to keep you interested. Alternatively, go for a larger cruiser/racer with marina berth etc if you can afford the time and money, although the experience would be nothing close to sailing a dinghy with a lightweight planing hull. |
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Mister Nick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Aug 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 389 |
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You need to bear in mind the draught will be a lot bigger on the J22 so you won't be able to sail into shallow water - if you do, you won't be able to get back out easily because obviously it's not practical to lift the keel up whilst sailing (I don't know if a J22 has a lifting keel or not). Obviously if you hit something it's going to do more damage that a 420 because it's much heavier. The loads on everything will be a bit bigger, which shouldn't be a problem provided you're careful. You also need to consider where you're going to store the boat. I imagine a J22 is trailable as it's pretty small, so you've got the option to lift it out and take it home after each session. Your other options are paying for a swinging mooring (which you will need to learn how to sail onto), or paying for a berth in a marina (some locations will only have one of these available to you depending on where you sail). If you don't want to anti foul the boat then you can dry sail it (meaning that it will be put in the water when you want to use it, lifted out afterwards and stored in the boat yard) although this is a pretty expensive way of doing things and unless you're racing the boat seriously then it isn't really worth it if there are other alternatives available. It's a good idea to go and sail on other peoples keelboats before you buy your own so you can get an idea of the best way to do things. It'll teach you what to do when things go wrong and how to do everything you need to be able to do for yourself on your own boat. There isn't a huge difference between actually sailing a small keelboat and a dinghy, but there are fairly big differences between storage, maintainance etc.
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