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    Posted: 19 Oct 11 at 9:29pm
If I hear the "skiffs are the future of sailing" crud (which always seems to be the underlying concept behind the women's skiff) again one more time, I'll scream.

Even where they have been around for 100+ years, the Skiff classes remain restricted to one small area of the country and are (2 fleets of 14s and some 9ers apart) all but extinct. And ISAF and the media keep on talking about the greater media appeal of skiffs, but if that is so why haven't we been shown some evidence in the form of higher ratings since the 9er came in, or higher ratings for the 9er events?

As the UK shows, there's no big move towards skiff types even in the most advanced market in the world. Great boats, but they just don't interest enough people.

It's just one more step away from the sport being inclusive and friendly to the average sailor and beginners IMHO, and that's a bad thing for any sport. Sports like football, golf, swimming, athletics and cycling make the pros use what the average competitor uses and they are vastly more popular than sailing, so obviously they are doing it right.

PS- Rogue, there's a difference between being xenophobic,and between actually looking at undeniable historical facts and modern evidence to answer a question when it is asked. 



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going back to the boat.....
 
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Originally posted by JimC

Yep, but there's a really good leebow effect available under the cliffs.


Not THAT cliff, the OTHER cliff on the other side of the bay...

(Bloody colonials with their upside down world and their xenophobic description of a skiff...)
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Originally posted by 17mika

I really don't want to be the man hoisting the gennaker each time soaking wet.



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Originally posted by tgruitt

Originally posted by 17mika

Originally posted by Rupert

A wave piercing bow with a huge great gaping mouth of a spinny chute behind it - that will be one wet boat in waves.
 
I really don't want to be the man hoisting the gennaker each time soaking wet.


It's ok, it's a women's skiff, you won't have to!
 
Well, rignt now I crew a 29erXX, so I may be "girlish" enough to try it  :D
 
Anyway..any video of an upwind leg in waves will show us if the designer's idea makes any sense at all or not. I'm not to confident, but I'd love to be proved wrong.
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Yep, but there's a really good leebow effect available under the cliffs.
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I've heard the tides on Garda, are really fierce.... LOL!

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Originally posted by Jon711

Originally posted by tgruitt


Originally posted by rogue

Originally posted by Rupert

Maybe it is that shape so it has a lee bow on both sides?


depends on wind weight
Also depends on tide thickness, it's very important!


TIDE THICKNESS???

I accept that,different water DENSITIES,may make a difference, but that is really clutching at straws....If you can tell, the difference in Salinity, while sailing your boat, then you should be a multiple world champion..... (I'm guessing you're not?). Going the right way up the beat, and sailing the boat correctly is what counts.....

Good Luck, and practice, practice, practice, practice et ell....

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don't worry Jon, Tom's talking garbage as usual- have a look at the chine angle vs mast position, you'll see that Tide Thickness will make little to no difference, especially on Garda.
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Nope havent sailed a 29er, but spent plenty of time out with them at the recent Solent event and watched half a dozen nose dive in 25 knots. (Ovi's allegedly rescued the design during development as the original design was really bad at that). Also 29er bow is not a dreadnought like the Aura pictured and I wasn't suggesting that all Skiffs stop and dive in a chop, just that this one looks like it might. Hopefully they will publish some footage. Stiil don't think its a looker though.. Pig
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Originally posted by furtive

 
Any ideas whether this new thing has a T-foil rudder? The 14s with dreadnought bows do, which must help with fore/aft stability and therefore reduce the risk of nose-diving.


Some people think it makes it 'too easy', and also less photogenic.
The bow up like that = no T-foil.

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