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    Posted: 17 Oct 11 at 4:01pm
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Originally posted by gordon

2 times 14 stone is hardly heavy. Lets face it - sailing is now a sport for small people a policy actively encouraged by our International organising body.
 
This is something that has annoyed me about sailing, there are just no true heavy weight boats out there, everything goes faster with lightweights and with the carbon fibre masts and fathead sails etc it has become much easier to depower the rigs for lightweights.  Ah well rant over...
 
So what kind of weight does an F18 carry?  I know the tornado has been suggested but i'm not a fan of the look of them, they're a bit oldfashioned (sorry if standing on any toes).  Also i saw the F20 nationals on Y&Y earlier this week, what are these like for weight carrying?  They look to have a similar sail area etc to the tornado but with a more modern shape?
 
Finally i saw this http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/community/classifieds/view.asp?id=2381 advert.  When looking at cats are you able to get a good entry level boat for 2-3k or do you need to spend more to get a boat that doesn't break all the time.  Sorry for the many daft questions...
 
 
Matt - to answer the F18 bit they can carry anything up to 160 kgs competitively (thats my current all up weight), although ive won TT races with a combined crew weight of 180kgs before but it is quite rare to see that weight consistently in the chocolates but not unheard of if sailed well, the more modern F18 designs (shockwave, Infusion) carry weight better than the older ones but dont write off a Tiger in your choice - good prices and rock solid entry level F18 !!!
 
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for that price and crew weight.... Nacra 6.0 everytime!
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being a Hurricane stwart i have bought a NACRA F20 as there are 3 others at bala and the boat carries the weight. I had  a season sailing in F18 and although it is still some of the best sailing i had i know that i will never get down to wippet proportions.
 
looking forward to pimping up the NARCA for next season and to see how well it does perform.
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For 2 to 3 k I'd be looking at a hurricane 5.9. Good solid boats with not a lot to go wrong. It's got an active class association and you will get some good racing.
Any f18 at that money will be an older shape which won't help your speed and the weight carrying abilities are not so good.
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Matt each person has their own view but IMHO its better to sail each boat than judge by its looks. The older F20s you mention I think look more dated than the Tornado.

Ive sailed both and as Nacra says the F20 does carry weight well, but it depends on what sailing you want, there isnt much fleet racing...the odd 1 or 2 in a club...They are really stung on handicap
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Hi Matt,  the best boat for a heavyweight is the old style nacra 20, big bouyant hulls and a narrow boat that will still fly a hull, particularly if you can get the later bigger mainsail which makes it quite a powerful boat, good entry level prices to, and theyre bulletproof.
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Originally posted by gordon

2 times 14 stone is hardly heavy. Lets face it - sailing is now a sport for small people a policy actively encouraged by our International organising body.
 
This is something that has annoyed me about sailing, there are just no true heavy weight boats out there, everything goes faster with lightweights and with the carbon fibre masts and fathead sails etc it has become much easier to depower the rigs for lightweights.  Ah well rant over...
 
So what kind of weight does an F18 carry?  I know the tornado has been suggested but i'm not a fan of the look of them, they're a bit oldfashioned (sorry if standing on any toes).  Also i saw the F20 nationals on Y&Y earlier this week, what are these like for weight carrying?  They look to have a similar sail area etc to the tornado but with a more modern shape?
 
Finally i saw this http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/community/classifieds/view.asp?id=2381 advert.  When looking at cats are you able to get a good entry level boat for 2-3k or do you need to spend more to get a boat that doesn't break all the time.  Sorry for the many daft questions...
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2 times 14 stone is hardly heavy. Lets face it - sailing is now a sport for small people a policy actively encouraged by our International organising body.

Even keelboat classes have weight limits that severely restrict crew size.

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PS Last time I was 14 stone I was a skinny 14 year old
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Unfortunately I concurr with above weight def aint good , but as a larger fella you get more smiles per kg in a cat , lightweights will always fly past downwind , and even upwind they can hang in with modern easily depowered low drag rigs .
Tis good for tactics being a lardy bouy , you have to be spot on an hope the tiddlers make a mistake :)
 
 
One small consolation , weight seems to be much in favour on keelboats ,so when ole an senile with piddle dribbling down yur legs theres somewhere to go , and you can be competitive , unless you gone too senile
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28 stone is okay on a Tornado. We do well in the medium breeze but the F18's just seem to have that edge in the light stuff.

You notice that difference once you get about 7-8 knots of wind and you pull away from the F18's.

You will always roll Phil Marks at 28 stone ;-)
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