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    Posted: 11 Aug 11 at 12:54pm
I was on the water, and with a good view, and certainly my immediate view was that Roth had time...on viewing the video I think the time is 6 seconds before they take advoiding action. Although they appear to have taken the view to use match racing tactics, despite several calls from the PRO not to do this, of only taking advoiding action once a collision is inevitable and then claimimg not time advoid.
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Port and starboard, surely, if it was deemed they had time to avoid. I'm not convinced they did.
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Originally posted by Scooby_simon

So Roth stalled theiur rudders in the bearoff and so they win the protest; if I'd been sitting I'd have asked my Roth presented poor seeman ship (stalled rudders) and expect to win the protest.  Simple question "why did you not ease the traveller to get contol of your rudders?"   I would have expected they do have done this.  There was plenty of wind, why were they not sailing correctly?  I can only assume thjey knew this (they should know how to sail cats afterall) and were going for an expensive foul.... 
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So Roth stalled theiur rudders in the bearoff and so they win the protest; if I'd been sitting I'd have asked my Roth presented poor seeman ship (stalled rudders) and expect to win the protest.  Simple question "why did you not ease the traveller to get contol of your rudders?"   I would have expected they do have done this.  There was plenty of wind, why were they not sailing correctly?  I can only assume thjey knew this (they should know how to sail cats afterall) and were going for an expensive foul.... 
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Rothschild didnt need to anticipate Artemiss tack they could see them tacking and probably anticipated that Artemis would acclerate out of the take,....thus NO problem, but Artemis stalled close hauled. In those conditions as craiggo says beraing away is a tricky manouvre, but if he had started when he saw the tack starting and not some 6 seconds later collision would have been advoidable and both boats would be sailing in the series 
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My feeling was that Art threw in a tack on the layline in good faith (and let's face it who wouldn't in that situation - well clear ahead within the mark zone). The tack obviously got a bit messed up, but when you are stalled what can you do? Rothschild was the only boat that could control the situation at that point.
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On one hand I agree that rothschild didnt need to anticpate artemis's tack, however as soon as Artemis was close hauled on their new tack, Rothschild should have started avoiding action. While they had little time to escape, bearing away in an extreme 40 is always a tricky move, which could lead to loss of steerage or even a pitchpole and therefore the only sensible way out of this would have been to throw in a crash tack which would have been possible if it hadnt been for the determination to get a good result. I would suggest that rb_stretch's comments are valid and that Rothschild should have been the ones penalised for not avoiding a collision. Its a fine line I agree, but the collision was avoidable had Rothschild chucked in a crash tack.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Quagers Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 11 at 4:50pm
Although that may be sensible from a boat preservation point of view its not at all required by the rules. I think both teams were caught out by Art stalling, but its still Arts fault.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stuart O Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 11 at 1:30pm
he actually goes for the protest flag way before the collision...so IMHO Roth did have time and opportunity to advoid the collision.... they watch the boat tack and at that point carry on another 1-2 boats lengths whilst artemis is stalled...IMHO as soon as they started the tack Roth should have started advoiding the collision ...before they start to advoid the collision 6 seconds passes that in thos collisions is a hell of a lot of distance

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 11 at 12:42pm
I would imagine that at this level he assumes others will be helping his team mates, and his job is to ensure the protest is deemed valid
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