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    Posted: 19 Apr 11 at 6:30am
Neither the 3.7 or the 12 foot Kitty Cat were banned in that way - the 3.7 was banned before it raced (before it was built if my memory of my photocopied contemporary records is right) and the Kitty Cat won an Interdoms before it was banned.

In a couple of respects the 12 Footer guys put restrictions on boats allowed to race in their regattas, but the thing that interests me is how popular these tales of BBCBBBs (Big Bad Committees Banning Better Boats) are.  We see the same sort of tales about the trials that chose the FD, 505 and Soling, or the introduction of the Laser and catamarans.  It seems that all you need is 20 years to go past and some story about a breakthrough thwarted by a BBCBBB will emerge, normally based on BS!

I'm starting to think that history is actually written by the losers!  :-) 
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Speaking as a persecuted loser, I think you may be right.
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Originally posted by Chris 249


See http://www.yachtingnz.org.nz/Upload/UserDocument/Technical/Handicaps.pdf
Singlehanders - Contender .96, Farr 3.7 .93, Finn .89, OK .88, Laser .88, Europe .87, Radial .87.
Others - 470 .99,  Fireball .96, Laser II .93, Flying 15 .93.
Those numbers look a bit old and a bit odd - they rate the Cherub and R Class between the Laser II and the Laser which appears very odd even if they're talking older Cherubs and Rs!

For more comparison, the Farr 3.7 has an old NSW (state) Yardstick here of 109 (Contender 109 (!), Laser 113, Radial 118, OK 117, Solo 125 but the NSW Yardstick is generally ignored in favour of the Victorian (state) yardstick which doesn't have a Farr 3.7 number.
From my number crunching, using the NZ figures for singlehanders the Farr 3.7 would rate 1039 on PY.  That puts it just right compared to its NSW figures against the Laser.
Edit - how it goes to that yardstick in the UK's (often) lighter summer winds is another issue.



That was what I was hoping for... ie around the speed of a Laser without the knee busting, back killing hiking experience. And as the breeze gets big, a lively 12 footer. But we will have to wait and see.
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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Originally posted by Chris 249


See http://www.yachtingnz.org.nz/Upload/UserDocument/Technical/Handicaps.pdf
Singlehanders - Contender .96, Farr 3.7 .93, Finn .89, OK .88, Laser .88, Europe .87, Radial .87.
Others - 470 .99,  Fireball .96, Laser II .93, Flying 15 .93.
Those numbers look a bit old and a bit odd - they rate the Cherub and R Class between the Laser II and the Laser which appears very odd even if they're talking older Cherubs and Rs!

For more comparison, the Farr 3.7 has an old NSW (state) Yardstick here of 109 (Contender 109 (!), Laser 113, Radial 118, OK 117, Solo 125 but the NSW Yardstick is generally ignored in favour of the Victorian (state) yardstick which doesn't have a Farr 3.7 number.
From my number crunching, using the NZ figures for singlehanders the Farr 3.7 would rate 1039 on PY.  That puts it just right compared to its NSW figures against the Laser.
Edit - how it goes to that yardstick in the UK's (often) lighter summer winds is another issue.



That was what I was hoping for... ie around the speed of a Laser without the knee busting, back killing hiking experience. And as the breeze gets big, a lively 12 footer. But we will have to wait and see.
 
Not sailed one but saw them in Wellington, and I reckon that's exactly what you'll have, and you'll love it.
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Thanks to a nice guy called Keith, who posted on my blog, I have found this place Link
Which may solve my trailer ball size issues. The Internet can be such a helpful place. :)
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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Thanks to a nice guy called Keith, who posted on my blog, I have found this place Link
Which may solve my trailer ball size issues. The Internet can be such a helpful place. :)
Pleasure.

Hope it works.


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Ahhh!!!!!!

VAT question!

The UK Import company seem to be suggesting that I need to pay VAT on the Farr 3.7 I have just imported into the UK.

The boat was built in NZ several years ago, and is secondhand.

Does anyone know the VAT situation for this type of import.

Bob... did you pay VAT on your 12 footers?
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As far as I'm aware, yes you will need to pay VAT... But it has been a few years since I worked in a shipping office so I might be a bit rusty. 
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Yes, you have to pay VAT and import duty.
 
I seem to remember that it was something like 5-10% Import duty plus he VAT at 20%.
 
You will need to provide the shipping agent with a receipt for the purchase, and the cost of shipping and insurance. 
 
You pay VAT and import duty on the total value + shipping and insurance costs I think.
 
Expect to pay about 25% - 30% of the purchase price in total (this is why the 12s are more expensive in the UK than they can be bought for in NZ o AUS).
 
It's a whole new world of pain.


Edited by Skiffybob - 16 May 11 at 11:46am
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Thanks guys,

I was aware of the Import Duty, but no the VAT situation. That is a real pain in the back side!
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