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    Posted: 18 Apr 11 at 12:54pm
Hi,
I don't think there is any footage of a capsized Icon yet, but I'll post some when I get some.
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Thank you.
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Originally posted by cad99uk

Mike, Peaky,
 
I was disapointed to see that the Y+Y Icon test in the magazine did not include a capsize test. Now that you have the production hulls and mast could you put up a video showing it capsized on its side with nobody on the centreboard. Then somebody climbing onto the centreboard from the water.
 
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Sorry we missed this off but we were not to keen about jumping into the water when there was ice floating around, especially as I only have a 3mm wetsuit......... LOL
Needs to sail more...
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I think it looks great, would love to have a go in it on our river.  Its easily driven shape would go down a treat.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote The Moo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 11 at 6:08pm
Originally posted by Ruscoe

I think it looks great, would love to have a go in it on our river.  Its easily driven shape would go down a treat.


Ditto our little puddle. Slopes out to get a lottery ticket...........
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Post Options Post Options   Quote blaze720 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 11 at 7:26pm
... another excuse to say - simply TRY Icon. 

We were with another journalist today (testing alongside the X1 Riverboat btw) and this time we got some decent breeze, in the sun and on a warm day .... I think he got the point !  We planed upwind and blasted down again - fast 'n' easy.

Capsize ?  Come and try yourself.  Icon is wide..ish ( but still narrower than a 400)  but has by design low volume in the deck area plus a very light, long, and essentially sealed mast.  It is a doddle compared with many older designs and  has little inclination to invert however sluggish the crew. 

 'Sealing' the mast is blindingly obvious frankly if you can make it work with the overall design .... we have them with the Blaze and it makes that boat much much easier to recover and it was very simple to apply to Icon.  It should not be underestimated that for a great many club crews this basic characteristic is highly desirable -  if every capsize has the potential to become a real drama it is not only 'slow' it tends to limit popularity.

I raced Tasars years ago but the heavy (and open) metal mast, while extremely effective when the right way up, flooded very readily and inversion was fairly standard if you lost it .... same thing with most boats that have masts with lots of openings for halyards and other lines and wires but it was an Icon specification item to 'seal' it and keep it very light.  Of course the 2-sail rig approach makes this relatively easy.   Our carbon rig with a luff return jib halyard and external mast fastenings confers many incidental advantages - but they were anticipated at the design stage.  

The other point about the Aardspars slimline stick that we are using in relation to capsizes.... if it were ever to fill with water the internal volume is very low.  less water = much easy righting again.

Mike L.

PS - I'm sure Peaky will provide more on subject soon ....   

PPS - Just had a call from one of the X1 people to say he has a couple of pics from earlier that might appear here in the next day or so ...  He had a quick blast in Icon as well and at one point I thought we might just be able to provide the photographic evidence on the above subject !

 
 
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Oh how I agree! Someone told me that Tasars characteristic of inverting was a safety measure to stop the boat drifting away. Well how would you rather die, pulling it up so that it rolls on top of you on a big swell out in Torbay or swimming after it? We also lost two topmasts because the mast stuck in the mud on our little lake. No to inverting every time!
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Originally posted by blaze720

  has little inclination to invert however sluggish the crew.    

I'd regard that as making the boat fundamentally dangerous to sail on the sea. You can sit on an inverted boat for hours and be found easily, but if you lose contact with a boat on its side then you are just a tiny pair of heads in the water with a boat a couple of miles downwind and your survival chances are not so good.
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Originally posted by blaze720

  has little inclination to invert however sluggish the crew.    

I'd regard that as making the boat fundamentally dangerous to sail on the sea. You can sit on an inverted boat for hours and be found easily, but if you lose contact with a boat on its side then you are just a tiny pair of heads in the water with a boat a couple of miles downwind and your survival chances are not so good.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Ruscoe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 11 at 7:47pm
Mike as much as i would like to have a go in the Icon, i am not in the market for one at the moment.  As such it would be unfair for me to waste your time.  (Test drive Charlie were a nightmare when i was selling cars) I need to teach child number 1 to sail in the graduate before i am in the market for a new boat.

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