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    Posted: 21 Mar 11 at 4:04pm
Originally posted by Foxbox

It is strange that 'we' struggle with this 1, 2 (or 3?) class problem. Why try to reinvent the wheel. What is so different with the RS100 that we do not do it the Laser way? There are different handicaps for a Laser standard, radial, 4.7 . Why is that a problem for the RS100?

I really do see a problem when all sailsize have 1 handicap. Which classes have that?
How many results were actually used for this PY recalculation? To me it looks like we can forget 2010, and start all over. Results without sailsize indication are obsolete.

i also do not understand why the sail/ boat has to be recognizable als 8.4, 10.2 . I register for an event, tell them my WoC, and the RC must simply  write down sailnumbers. A bandit Laser can fool me by registering Radial and sailing Standard (i see no difference). I f you have guys like that in the field, nothing will stop them. 


 
You may not understand it or agree with it but this is the problem, expecting people to understand its one boat with two PY's!!!  You are unique for this very reason.  It works with the Laser as its actually almost 3 different classes, which IMO you will need to be if you want two PY's.  Why should it be different for 100's??  As for the Bandit Laser sailor, that is cheating in its purist form and if found out he/she should be banned from racing.  This topic is about PY's and not cheating so i am not sure we should go down that avenue. 

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Originally posted by haroosh

I see where your coming from James but I'm just worried the class goes down the 300 route where one rig dominates and pushes lighter folks out.
Is is also still early days in really establishing the performance between the rigs so hopefully this season should give us alot more data to compare. That may or may not drive the need for different PY's. Unfortunatley the RYA wont necassarily see this if they consider all 100 results as one boat - that was my point. I am looking forward to seeing how well I cansail against the new handicap - I suspect it will just reduce the competitive weather window a bit.
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Keith this is not the case in the 300's, TIm Keen and Ian Smith to name just two are light weights and sail the B-Rig they are more then competitive in almost all wind strengths, they have learned technique to get them round the course. I suspect this will be the same situation in the long run for the 100 boys, especially if the smaller rig is disadvantaged.

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ok Ruscoe I stand corrected for the 2 guys you mention but in general most of the guys I see sailing 300's are on the larger size. I hope your right on your 100 prediction.
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PS-I'm boring myself now on this topic so enough said from me now. Our club racing season starts in 2 weeksso I cant wait to get sailing again as its been a long cold winter!!!!!!
 
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Originally posted by haroosh

ok Ruscoe I stand corrected for the 2 guys you mention but in general most of the guys I see sailing 300's are on the larger size. I hope your right on your 100 prediction.
Cheers,
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PS-I'm boring myself now on this topic so enough said from me now. Our club racing season starts in 2 weeksso I cant wait to get sailing again as its been a long cold winter!!!!!!
 
Keith there is more then 2 guys, Matt Biggs has just joined the fleet and he is not big, Tom Moore, Luke Pepper to name another few that seem to be getting on OK with a B-rig and certainly not off the pace.

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Chaps

All this PY debate!

Firstly, we should remember that, whichever rig you stick up, the 100 is simply a fantastic boat to sail. I cannot imagine any of us wanting to step back into a laser, phantom or whatever.

The ideal of course IS class racing; then the PYS issue simply goes away. But whingeing about the yardstick can just put off potential recruits to the class. So I shall seek to do as much of the circuit as I can. And perhaps we should all agree an informal circuit too, be it Chi Fed Week, Poole, Cowes Dinghy week or whatever. Also, most clubs allow a signed-in day sail, so I how about an informal congregation at various places too?

For the rest of the time, those of us that are club mavericks and the PYS does have a bearing on results, am I alone in thinking who really gives a flying ****? I've been around the block long enough to judge for myself whether I sailed well or poorly. 1st or 21st are imposters both the same - I've been embarrassed to win having sailed like a muppet and the inverse too.

And no, I am not connected to RS just love the boat
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OK my very last post on this.
Mr Fab100  - I too think its an ace boat and have loved it since getting it last Easter. And I am perfectly happy with the PY given to us if derived from a good sample of data.
My only interest in this discussion is I live up Norf where I dont have the luxury of attending much class racing and all my sailing is handicap racing. I would like whatever the PY is to be a fair one and I was just intrigued that one PY was given for the 2 different configurations. Wont it be great if it turns out both rigs are similar with different helms weights. 
Ultimately we need more 100's north of the border so we can have some class racing.
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Well my take on it, initially having sailed both rigs and getting trashed off the line by a Supernova I junked the 8.4 and tried to make a go of it with the 10.2. Then i went to the nationals and realised I must be doing it wrong and reverted to the 8.4, I did make some improvement toward the end of the season, but never quite beat my old Blaze round a course which I had been doing with the big rig.

So now, I've rigged the big mast again and I shall just do something else if it's breezy and just sail it in light winds until I get the V-Twin, but seriously I'm quite peeved off with the RYA for acting so quickly with this boat when they dragged their heels for years with all the other crap that doesn't have the commercial envy associated with it that RS do.

You can't help wondering if the powers that be have a negative take on RS, why are none of their boats on any of the Olympic squad development fleets for example.

Personally I think this silly Industry should organise itself, stop letting the tail wag the dog, set up an alternative system. The RYA is not incorruptible, this much I know to be true from my dealings in the windsurfing business, it's a loose collection of well intentioned folk amongst others who are often on their own loose commercial agenda. (This is an opinion, mine, not fact, not intending to libel anyone in particular)But they never cease to piss me off  with their inept meddling in areas that dont need it and their lack of action where clearly it's needed.
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To change the subject a little has anyone tried or seen the smaller rig yet?
I'm thinking it may be a way for the mrs to sail the boat a bit more as she would probably struggle
With the 8.4 being a good by bit lighter again.
I thought it may also be a good heavy weather sail for me?
There doesn't seem to be any chat about it yet?
Cheers, Keith
Ps- James I'm not grumbling- honest!
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What’s everyone done with the cunno? I changed it to how the web site bimble suggested but i don't think it's going to work.... the block is going to hit the deck before you've got enough on.

I think i'm going to change it to a simple 4:1 (i think) with a extra block and anchoring it like the kicker on the Frankenstein bolt

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Originally posted by AlexM

What’s everyone done with the cunno? I changed it to how the web site bimble suggested but i don't think it's going to work.... the block is going to hit the deck before you've got enough on.

I think i'm going to change it to a simple 4:1 (i think) with a extra block and anchoring it like the kicker on the Frankenstein bolt

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Thats what I've done, having toyed with the other ideas. But led the lines inside the gooseneck jaws to extend potential travel

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