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Menace ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 16 Oct 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 296 |
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I thought something similar about the 600FF, but it's not really easy enough to be the "mass foiler" that seems to tick all the boxes mentioned. I don't really get the foiler for the masses thing as the compromises you will be making don't really go hand in hand with the type of boat. If you (not targeted at you Bob) want to foil, put the work in, endure the learning curve and gain the reward at the end of the day. If you want to be competitive in other athletic sports you go to the gym to raise your game, why does sailing have to be any different?
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Mattb669 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 14 Oct 09 Online Status: Offline Posts: 20 |
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for all the talk, try the blaze xf advertised on the ca site for £3750.
Ticks some of the boxes !
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Skiffybob ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 842 |
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Ticks all the boxes except the crucial "for the masses" one.
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Mattb669 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 14 Oct 09 Online Status: Offline Posts: 20 |
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And your contribution to the possibility of seeing anthing other than a moth or 600 foiling would be ?
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Ex Buzz 771
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How did that go? Did it foil?
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Mattb669 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 14 Oct 09 Online Status: Offline Posts: 20 |
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Sadly i never got that far, not very well at the mo so im going to pass on to someone else to complete. Would still love to see it fly. Its virtually ready to go for sea trials and tweaking.
Gutted ....
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Ex Buzz 771
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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One thing I still wonder about foilers is how well they would have managed if Bladerider hadn't lost about a million pounds doing a fabulous job promoting them and selling them at a loss.
Since we can't expect many manufacturers to lose about 5,000 GBP per boat over about 400 units (if my memory of vague back-of-the-envelope guesses is right) we also can't expect that sort of launch for many other new craft. Having someone take that sort of financial loss (and much of the loss was felt by their contractors and suppliers as far as I know) to support a class means it's in a very special category when it comes to artificially low prices and artificially high levels of promotion - until the cash runs out. Interestingly, the real "breakthrough" mass-market boats of earlier generations (Laser, Windsurfer, J/24, Hobie... huge in most of the sailing world if not always in the UK) all came from bargain-basement operations. The Hobie seemed to be the best-funded one, with funds of about 80,000 pounds in today's values. The Laser is the boat it is because of the funding it DIDN'T have, which forced the trio who built it to abandon plans to compete with the Sunfish. With the ease of modern marketing on the net, perhaps it could be even easier to launch a product now, if it really did grab the mass market's imagination at the right price - which IMHO foilers don't seem to do. |
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Menace ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 16 Oct 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 296 |
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That's the fundamental problem though, if you try to make a niche high end product attractive to the masses, you are always going to lose out. The knock on effect of the Bladerider loss will make others think twice about even attempting something similar in the future and may be a reason itself that there hasn't been an explosion of foiling boats as people may have initially thought was going to happen a few years ago.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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The reason for a lack of explosion in foiling boats is simple. Even moderately good sailors look at them, think "wow" and then carry on sailing boats they know they can sail without needing to sail day in day out for months to master, and can sail on a weed infested pond without going over the handlebars.
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Pierre ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1532 |
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Agree with Rupert, and would also add that you need a decent expanse of water to play nicely with foilers. Laraping round on most inland waters really isn't an option due to limited space.
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