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    Posted: 24 Jan 11 at 10:05pm
Can't see your piccie Xpletive...
I suspect you'd want to be in double figures to crew regularly - I'd say the Icon is more man/woman size than parent/child, but then there's that photo of the cool dude crewing a Cherub, and that's gotta be harder!
 
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In my case Peaky, I guess I probably have the weight on my own to sail it single-handedly!
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Found a pic from Sunday that shows the jib pole more clearly plus 'off-boom' sheeting.  You might already have guessed I'm a convert to both ... however the Icon rules will allow some personal choices - ie freedom to choose sheeting system - 'traditional' rear sheeting and a couple of centre-main options, cleat or no cleat and a jib pole system.  The 'hard points' for sheeting options  are there already in the moldings.

The expensive bits (spars/foils/sails etc) are going to be strict 'SMOD' in part to prevent an unlimited arms race but personal choices such as main sheeting that are very affordable for owners to switch will be a bit more 'open'.

One thing I am seriously seeking feedback on now regards a thwart - (either direct or via here).  They were not a feature of the NS14s we originally played with and again I'm a recent convert but we do recognise some of you may want one .... so any preferences ?  Please speak now – it is the only bit not completed.   We want to know what to incorporate ... and what maybe to avoid - ie what works best.

Again the hard points are there already in floor, central spine and tank sides to suit a thwart.     When potential owners do get a go in the near future I'd suggest trying ‘without’ as most may have not tried this previously ..... but if you or your crew really need your 'perch' we will be providing for that option .... I may post some more photos later of the cockpit 'without'.

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I assume the thwart would be retro fittable? I'll definitely start without one as I loved the open space of the NS, but can see the temptation. Just make sure that if you lead control lines through it that they don't chaff on the underside.
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Originally posted by jwlbrace

My little 'uns, 3 in April. I guess we'll be sticking for shore-based dinghy adventures for a while...








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Most of the time a thwart is just a convenient place to mount the control lines but on those sh*tty in out light wind puffy days we seem to get plenty of then it gets to be more useful.

In the 12 the thwart can become a pain in a blow as the boat is so trim dependant but I'd still rather have it than not. And I wouldn't have thought that Icon will be as twitchy or as cramped as a 12?

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Re: Thwart
 
My vote would be for a retrofittable option.
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My vote would be for a retrofittable option.

All Icons will be able to take them - It will be a choice that can be taken up at any time .. or removed.   The ability to move up/back without a thwart in 'the way' would be my personal choice but we are catering for those who like their 'perch' as well !   The question posed is really .... with this option are there any particular features or ideas that 'you think could/should be incorporated.

Ian - Icon is a lot longer than a 12 and you are right a tad less twitchy in the gusts ! We tend to slouch against the sides (that are a LOT more copmfortable than most 12's) in the light stuff.   You know where we are so bring the family and come over in the next couple of weeks ... enjoy a sneak preview / trial.  I'd be interested in your opinion.  

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Mike,
Not sure any features of a thwart immediately spring to mind.
 
However, had you given any thought to possible placement of righting lines. On our skiffs we use the uppermost kite sheets taken each side of the ratchet blocks. Easy to get hold of and when standing on the centreboard does allow one to move back allow the board without getting bounced off in a chop.
Saves trying to use jib sheets etc. Just a thought.
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Mike

You are asking the wrong people. The guys in here, who mostly are helms, of course will not want a thwart. They get in the way and make your crew slow to react. Truth is, they are not there for the helm, they are there for the crew. A lot of good crews in the 12, have insisted on retro fitting of thwarts when these have been left out, because they are very good for perching and balancing. For me as the helm, they are for getting bruises on my shins, but I would always have one. The iCON is a wide boat, and the crews will want something to help, or their knees will be shot pretty quickly. The issue is position, it needs to be far enough forward to make sure they are not creeping back in the light stuff to get comfortable, but also, that they can hike efficiently when the weight does need to creep towards the stern. I would go and test your boat with an experienced average sized crew in some waves to see if it is needed or not, as not all these boats will be sailed on ponds, especially given the length and relatively flat sections, and upwind plane-ability.

Like the jib stick by the way, exactly what I imagined.


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