Streaker PY number

Originally posted by maxibuddah Originally posted by G.R.F. Which is why it's so wrong that Bandits like the V3000 get to use the L3k handicap, yet the Alto gets unfairly compared with a boat with 20% more sail area.. Is that actually the V3000 class fault or the PY system? When more V3000's get into the results and returns go to the RYA then their PY will deminish. I think you'll find that the name L3000 and V3000 are two different names, bit like the AC & IC really. No-one is pretending that they are the same boat, are they?

I considered a V3000 a couple of years ago, great boat and would suit us perfectly......and I decided I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. Too much controversy with the PY and the CA don't seem that intrested in sorting it out. After talking to one or two wilsonians I concluded the questionable PY could be what stopped the class taking off.

Originally posted by G.R.F. Originally posted by JimC Originally posted by G.R.F. ...what these modern computer programmes can do to speed up hull shapes hang on, is this the same guy who in another thread was complaining that the lighter and very considerably hull shape tweaked Alto was given the same handicap as a 505? Yes but they didn't call it a 505 did they? My point precisely, they're not trying the easy route, which would be just to build one down to weight (if that was possible within their rules) It's an entirely different boat, similar in length but that's where the similarity ends. Not difficult to spot the two bloody great chines down the hull. Or the self tacking jib, pole system and flat deck. Which is why it's so wrong that Bandits like the V3000 get to use the L3k handicap, yet the Alto gets unfairly compared with a boat with 20% more sail area..

+1

Firstly by the way, at DYC the Streaker wins nearly everything, to the extent it is killing off other classes!

The last thing the AltO can be is a bandit five oh. It is slower and as GRF says it is an AltO.
It has less upwind area and massively less kite area.

To computer design the hull would have been a luxury. The history of its developement would clarify its reasons and origins. Yet to be written! In fact the five oh hull was taken as a start for many reasons, one of which was that to this day it is doubtful if a better (non skiff) large dinghy has yet been deigned even with the benefit of CAD.

The original design was as a non trapeze, fast, comfortable, easy to sail dinghy and the PY was pitched at about 950. It appeared to sail slightly slower that the 400.  It did finally become a two person single trapeze boat  and as such returns from one club give a pn of 937 and at another club 952. Even with these results it has continued to be sailed off 930 locally, but at several meetings last year it was sailed off 925. The 937 and 952 figures were from results  from average sailors trapezing..

The soon to be published class rules clearly state that any proposed changes in future cannot be considered if it they are likely to increase speed and thus devalue older boats and put downward pressure on its PY.

Unfortunately nothing is perfect, but we can only try!


Edited by oldarn - 13 Jan 11 at 10:11am

I think the RYA need to be hotter on this when issuing their annual numbers and they can only do this with the help of the classes. There is no doubt that the Rooster streaker with the right sails is significantly faster than its existing PY. 

Originally posted by GK.LaserII I considered a V3000 a couple of years ago, great boat and would suit us perfectly......and I decided I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. Too much controversy with the PY and the CA don't seem that intrested in sorting it out. After talking to one or two wilsonians I concluded the questionable PY could be what stopped the class taking off.   Is the PY the CA's problem??........If it stops the boat selling then it will be

as you can see, we reccomend 1007 as a handicap.

Myself and andrew suggest 985 at events when we go.

We want the RYA to have a split handicap as we asked at the dinghy show last year, but we ended up being grouped as one return with a note that the Laser 3000 handicap included Vandercraft boats.


We dont sail the boat to win races but to go out and have a good time, if we pick up a few wins on the way thats because we've put in the hours of practice and are having fun.

Dan


Edited by hollandsd - 13 Jan 11 at 10:54am