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    Posted: 11 Nov 10 at 2:13pm
Does anyone know if the Committee have thought about course design yet? 
 
If the objective is to be good for TV viewing (because that generates advertising revenue) and cheap to film, then shouldn't course design come before boat selection?  Even a 49er will be boring to watch on a 5 mile beat or run!
 
So - looking at course design - let's have running starts (coulourful etc - think of the best photos from Cowes Week), then a gate/pinch point after a couple of minutes (drama - winners and losers, crash & burn, cheaper to film), before a beat with restrictions on how far you can sail from the rhumb line (lots of crossovers, fewer cameras required etc) and so on...
 
Think more of the Tide Ride and Snowboarder X than triangles and trapezoids.   Once you have the course design, then choose the best craft for transporting the competitors. 
 
If sailing doesn't generate income via advertising for IOC, and cost less to produce, it'll be out of the Olympics, regardless of what classes are sailed!
 
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There is a piece in Y&Y about the 49ers experimenting with formats and courses. But if you want to keep everything in a small area with TV coverage and a crowd, why sail on the sea at all? Team racing a Spinnaker Club would be ideal...
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Yes Rupert I think I made that point a little while ago.
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Team racing without all the complex racing rules would be OK for television - small course, couloured teams sails like at the Wilson, but would need well-padded boats!
 
In my view a sport is no good for TV if the average veiwer doesn't understand why someone who is winning is suddenly not winning (becasue he's doing turns etc).  Some of the cycling events at the Olympics appear at bit bizarre (with mopeds etc), but at least you can work out whose winning.
 
If the average TV viewer can't work out who is winning, then I can' see how the sport can expect to work well on TV.     
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Golf? Seems to be like watching someone else take a walk, but gets amazing viewing figures.
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Originally posted by Rupert

There is a piece in Y&Y about the 49ers experimenting with formats and courses. But if you want to keep everything in a small area with TV coverage and a crowd, why sail on the sea at all? Team racing a Spinnaker Club would be ideal...
Can get a half-decent windward-leeward course set in a south westerly at king George- just up the Lee Valley from the main Olympic park site and very close to the new artifical white water course for the canoes and kayaks. Would have been ideal- big brick bowl, good access for cameras. Ideally, the Ponders End tower blocks would have to go- but then Olympic standard sailors should be able to cope with crazy gusts. No need to go traipsing down to Weymouth!
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Quick Question

Does it say that the womens Keel boat is actually match racing? or is it shown as fleet racing because I saw no mention of match racing in the report by ISAF.

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let us remember that this time 4 years ago the equipment committee suggested something very similar to this announcement, and yet the main ISAF committee ignored that and went for what we now have for 2012.  I personally think that although its not a perfect list (if such a thing exists) it is certainly a step in the right direction. 
 
For photogenics, how about something completely different... 2-boat team racing, the races are short, equipment cost is minimal, racing can take place in a very small space, allowing cameras and spectators to get very close, rules are simple for those watching - last boat looses.  lots of action - mark traps etc.  and the whole thing can be done over a matter of a couple of days, not the entire fortnight.  I know it will never happen, but its a thought. 


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I've always thought it would be great to have an 'extra' event at the Olympics - 2 boat team racing, but using existing members of your national sailing team. This could provide the opportunity for sailors to medal twice at the same games (like in so many other sports) and wouldn't increase athlete numbers, which I know is something that the IOC always wants to keep as low as possible.

The sailing could be held in the early evening, close to the shore and, because it's a 'second event', I don't think people would mind that the winds might not be so fair in a spectator-friendly piece of sailing water.

It's great news that catamarans have been backed so well by the ISAF Events Committee (84% for multihill inclusion is the figure I've heard), but don't count this as a done deal. The ISAF Council can, and have in the past, completely ignored the recommendations of the Events Committee.
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Ye gods, what as stuff up by the events commitee. Lets halve the 470 class, which the small and emerging Nations love, in favour of a womens skiff class which, it seems pretty clear, that while people love talking about it its not, as demonstrated by 29erXX sales figures, a form of sailing people want to do...
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