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    Posted: 11 Oct 10 at 4:15pm
Originally posted by sailpics

One thing I've found difficult especially with teaching new crews is the kite. It's like "pull the yellow one, now the red one, no! the other red one!" and dropping it is even harder.

 

P.S. I have no problems with the main size, but the kite could be bigger :)

I don't think the kite system will make drops much different.
What could be simpler than 'pull the release, pull the downhaul as fast as you can'?
 
As for hoists, I suggest making the kite halyard unique in colour. There is no quick cure for the crew pulling the retrieval ine instead of the halyard unless you splice the string so the retrieval end is a different colour!
You can of course pull the halyard from the back of the boat.
Maybe we should just lead the pole ejector to where the helm can do it?
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Originally posted by RS400atC

Originally posted by Matt Jackson

Other than the deck/thwart moulding changes I'm guessing the rest of the changes are retro-fittable? If so then it gives a fairly good upgrade path so keeping older boats racing (and generating some additional sales for LDC) rather than splitting the fleet like a weight reduction would. I'd vote for all these changes (if I'd paid my subs Wink).
But if you won't pay £39 for your subs, are you about to buy a new main,  jib, boom, bowsprit and mast ram?
There do seem to be a lot of RS400 owners who spend plenty on their boats but don't join the CA, so maybe you would? Or would it make people think there was no point going to an open meeting with an old style main and alloy spars? At the moment you can join the CA for a weekend for £10, this is excellent value and lets club sailors see what they are missing in open meeting fleets.
I really didn't intend (re)starting an argument about joining a CA (some people are still kinda touchy about this subject eh?). Actually I only bought the boat recently and do intend joining next year.
 
I have however spent almost as much on new sails/spares as the boat itself so think I would do a planned upgrade. My perception is that I would gain more from the kit (even if it were purely pschological) than the association.
I'm not touchy about the CA thing, just struggle to understand some people's priorities. My perception is that the coaching makes the CA  excellent value. I can understand not joining in your first year.
I can understand not wanting to (or being able to) spend money full stop.
 
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I bought older 400 earlier this year, moving from a phantom.

I always wanted a 400 but there was a shortage of crews at the time but now that's getting easier  I made the switch.

One thing I've found difficult especially with teaching new crews is the kite. It's like "pull the yellow one, now the red one, no! the other red one!" and dropping it is even harder.

As has been mentioned in the original post, you don't need to make all the changes at one time. I'll probably change the kite system first and do the other things as required.

My 2p

Richard

P.S. I have no problems with the main size, but the kite could be bigger :)



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Alloy boom £229

Alloy sprit £174
Jib £319
main £ 684
 
Thats £1406 in current format (alloy)
I should imagine there will be a reduction in the cost of a new main sail (ala 300) but i would think its going to cost best part of £2k especially if they are looking at new kites as well!!!
Is it worth bothering with on an older boat??  400's tend to start (for an old knacker) at around £1500 now!
 
I bet a new 400 is the best part of £10k, you can get a very, very nice merlin for that money and play development with the big boys!
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Originally posted by Peaky

New main, jib, carbon boom, bowsprit, kite system and mast ram.  What's that, £1500?  
... and the rest! But actually the sails are a consumable and will need replacing at some point anyway so you can remove them from that sum. Obviously you'd need to be barking to lay that out in one go on an old boat but over time it's justifiable. What else am I going to spend my pocket money on?
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Originally posted by RS400atC

Originally posted by Matt Jackson

Other than the deck/thwart moulding changes I'm guessing the rest of the changes are retro-fittable? If so then it gives a fairly good upgrade path so keeping older boats racing (and generating some additional sales for LDC) rather than splitting the fleet like a weight reduction would. I'd vote for all these changes (if I'd paid my subs Wink).
But if you won't pay £39 for your subs, are you about to buy a new main,  jib, boom, bowsprit and mast ram?
There do seem to be a lot of RS400 owners who spend plenty on their boats but don't join the CA, so maybe you would? Or would it make people think there was no point going to an open meeting with an old style main and alloy spars? At the moment you can join the CA for a weekend for £10, this is excellent value and lets club sailors see what they are missing in open meeting fleets.
I really didn't intend (re)starting an argument about joining a CA (some people are still kinda touchy about this subject eh?). 
 
I have however spent almost as much on new sails/spares as the boat itself so think I would do a planned upgrade. My perception is that I would gain more from the kit (even if it were purely pschological) than the association.


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New main, jib, carbon boom, bowsprit, kite system and mast ram.  What's that, £1500?  
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its now £40.37 LOL  I always thought was great value in a 200, not so in the smaller classes.  If i remember correctly there was a pretty poor take up in class membership vs. boats sold.  Why dont they offer a club memebership where you get the benefits but pay more if you go to an open???
 
But hey i have had this arguement and it resulted in me selling my boat so i am not going back into it.  If the parts can be retro fitted and the older boats are somewhere near competitive i think it can only be a good thing!
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Originally posted by Matt Jackson

Other than the deck/thwart moulding changes I'm guessing the rest of the changes are retro-fittable? If so then it gives a fairly good upgrade path so keeping older boats racing (and generating some additional sales for LDC) rather than splitting the fleet like a weight reduction would. I'd vote for all these changes (if I'd paid my subs Wink).
But if you won't pay £39 for your subs, are you about to buy a new main,  jib, boom, bowsprit and mast ram?
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Other than the deck/thwart moulding changes I'm guessing the rest of the changes are retro-fittable? If so then it gives a fairly good upgrade path so keeping older boats racing (and generating some additional sales for LDC) rather than splitting the fleet like a weight reduction would. I'd vote for all these changes (if I'd paid my subs Wink).
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