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rich96 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 20 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 596 |
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Just out of interest - what were the typical weights of the leaders ?
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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Weight ?
I'm partly guessing but using a bit of judgement from on the water .. and in the bar the weights in the top 10 vary enormously from about 75kg to more than 95kg - on the heavier races it does pay to be a bit heavy and in the lighter stuff a bit towards the lower end .... like most other classes. The stayed rig allows a lot of adjustment to suit individual helm weight but we do seem to have a very wide effective range - few however will be under 70kg or more than 105 kg but there are some notable and very capable exceptions. Halo, the big rig version, on the other hand .... is targetted at 90kg and up although you can sail below that weight with lead (but you can take an over weight hull into account - some early ones are !). Mike L. |
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Jon711 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 May 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 465 |
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I was really annoyed to miss this event. But it just goes to show, what a great boat the Blaze is (despite what GRF may say!!!!! I look forward to being at the Nationals next year... (Maybe over 70 boats next year????) Jon |
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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With regards to the hull question. Mike was in a Cirrus (Rondar built) hull. Rob was in a Topper built hull and Pete Barton was in a (very) early Mk1 hull. Tat is p[roviding the sdail numbers match the hull numbers, Pete was in 551 but had 6541 on his sail. So definitely proof there that the Blaze hull is competitive regardless of age! Cheers, Paul |
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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The ones we build today are identical in hull form but have a more developed deck moulding and slight changes to the wing engineering. We also build in epoxy today as it is much easier to produce boats on minimum weight. Earlier hulls were Polyester, not much wrong with that, but more difficult to build to target weight and a fairly wide weight range resulted - get a good one though and it is highly competitive (incidentally 551 is the Cirrus demonstrator that Peter B. used with a borrowed sail off '654' - it was re-manufactured earlier this year to show that older boats really can be competitive). All Blazes of whatever age are foam sandwich.
Older Blazes with a bit of tlc and a decent sail simply refuse to 'fade away'. Sounds daft a manufacturer extolling the virtues of older boats ? No not at all - that is the way a great many newcomers arrive in the Blaze class .... and before too long buy a shiny new one ! For existing owners they can always sell quickly and at a reasonable price and they also know new ones don't depreciate as fast as many alternatives. Incidentally Mk3 hulls weight between 49 and 51kg before wings, board and fittings are added. We could make them lighter but there would be a trade off against durability. Mike L. |
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Thanks for that Jeffers, that's what I wanted to know. My original Blaze was 556 and I am sure that was built in 1998. I am really glad to see the mixture of hulls up in the top results. Timg |
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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I am not sure what they started at, it was either 500 or 550 I believe, I am sure Mike can enlighten us. I had 655 which was the second X hull (I believe Mike had 654 back in the day). It was a nice boat but it did have a few issues which resulted in my local boat yard putting a couple of small hatches in it to strengthen the front of the centreboard case where it has parted from the deck moulding. This was one of very few known issues that has since been resolved by Cirrus and Rondar. A lot of ifs here but I would have (and hope to have) another Blaze at some point in the future. For now it does not fit with the sailing I am able to do. |
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Merlinboy ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Jul 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3169 |
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Well done Mike and the Blaze class, that really is a result.
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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Nice feedback and we are very appreciative of course but ...
It may sound cheezy to say but what the Blaze as is becomming today is down to more than just Cirrus input - there is a strong and competent CA behind it, a number of very supportive and growing fleets and large numbers of individual owners who just love the boat - they are our best salesmen. We just make sure everyone enjoys the boat on the water and that they have a great time after racing. It is not rocket science really. The revival of the Phantom class a few years back pioneered a similar grass roots approach. We are occasionally considered as rivals but in reality we are simply following a model that Jeff and the Phantom owners pursued years back. We are never going to sell it hard - try it, if you like it get one - thats it. But we do make sure you get a chance to try if you are interested ! Mike L. |
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Of course it could also be noted the Blaze is a great weight carrier and
responds well to lard folk in a Breeze. It also retains a PY only one short of where the Phantom was when the title Bandido was squarely aimed at it. It is a bloody good boat even more so since watching someone sailing it in a breeze with the weight and handling skills to make it go better than I ever could. However had it a kite it would be a great boat but that's been said and ignored enough now to be boring. Things I liked about it; being able to launch and enter from the back, the leverage the racks give, the fact it doesn't fall over when you let it go, the centreboard, the kick up rudder, the cut of the sail, the off boom sheeting. Things I didn't like; the chiselled nose and nosey attitude in waves, the ally mast, the gap between the rack and the canvas (but that can be changed there was a really well sorted boat at the dinghy show)and the heavy weight. It doesn't surprise me it's doing well, (although I did wonder if the Halo thing was an unnecessary distraction). What it could do with? Carbon mast stepped down through the hull, obviously the spinnaker, and a generally lighter build. It was too windy again last night for the 100, would I have gone out in the Blaze? Definitely. |
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