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Phil J ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 16 Jan 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 22 |
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On a similar note to the traveller issue, is anyone getting
problems with the back of the mainsheet twisting on itself? This has happened a couple of time for me now to the extent that the twist in the mainsheet is enough to also twist the traveller block around the traveller and stopping it moving! I've taken the mainsheet off and tried 'straightening' it but it's started doing it again. Phil |
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laser193713 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 13 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 889 |
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happens all the time in lasers, only way to sort it is to unthread the mainsheet before each sail and tie one end to the boat and walk away with the other end and shake it up and down to get all the twists out. Easily done in the laser but with the 100 the sheet goes through the boom so not sure how easy it is? anyone tried it? First thing I will be doing with my boat is moving to a 5.5/6mm mainsheet like on my laser, felt like there was a lot of friction on the one i sailed although the loads were very low.
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rodney ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 915 |
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SO! Let's put the record straight! Pete Vincent (DSM) didn't invite us to the three boat testing until rather late in the day and with such short notice it was impossible to be there. The idea, so I was told by Pete, was not to do a comparison but to take the opportunity to try three boats in one visit. He thought that Burghfield was not the perfect testing venue (or so he said) but it would not cost as much as testing from HISC. We therefore agreed to host the testing of the D-One in Chichester Harbour or in Hayling Bay, weather permitting. The real P****R for me was when we got a NO SHOW from DSM a couple of weeks later at Mengeham Rythe SC. The D-One was, however, tested on that day by Alan Henderson for Yachting Life magazine and I am sure that the test report will be available soon. We are happy to invite anyone, Y&Y, DSM or any magazines or individuals, to try the D-One any time. If NP or ML want to bring their boats to a test day at the same time they are more than welcome as it will give anyone the opportunity to try a number of different single handers in one outing. We can work on the venue/venues (easy in Chichester Harbour) and, subject to levels of interest, we will run D-One test days anywhere in the UK by request. Rodney Apologies for going off topic but this really does need an answer. Edited by rodney |
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Rodney Cobb
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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Hi Rodney
Apologies are due if my information was wrong - No intention from this quarter to 'knock' and perhaps it was a poor choice of words. We are always happy to share demo days with you or anyone else. There are always more good reasons to share 'try a boat' sessions than bad ones in my experience and as I keep saying there are plenty of good reasons to actually try 'new' boats even if you think they might not be your natural choice. Seriously if you want us along anytime - we'll be there. Mike L. |
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asterix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 01 Aug 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 621 |
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yes mainsheet twisting to the point of actually tying it self in knots here - ooer matron! Great if you also snag the kite sheet behind the knot and both get pulled into the block during a gybe - don't ask! |
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ChrisC ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 169 |
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Sounds like we have all been rather spoilt by the last couple of months of
generally light breezes and the more challenging conditions over the weekend have introduced some as yet undiscovered joys ! Have to say that bearing away in a solid 20k gust and trying to hoist the kite whilst the boat is already flat out planing makes it a whole load more interesting ! She's pretty skittish until the kite goes up and fills - and that was on flat water. Also noticed that you need to sit quite far back going downwind / reaching without the kite in order to keep the bow out - appears the kite has a beneficial lifting effect. I've not had a problem (yet !) with the mainsheet twisting but will keep an eye out for that in case. The traveller / tiller tangle only appears to happen if you let go of the extension, mainly righting from a capsize. I try to keep the extension pointing forward, particularly when hoisting, or at least to hold on to the end of it if capsizing. The niggling issues I have had (now mostly resolved) have been: * A twist in the kite halyard where it passes through the block on the shockcord take up - this causes a total birds-nest around the block jamming the halyard so the kite wont go up or down. The halyard has twisted around since new despite rethreading several times. Have now changed block for a swivel and seems to have resolved it (thank God !). * Lazy sheet catching on the gooseneck bolt whilst fast gybing (probably due to a lot of heel). Not found a technique fix for that one yet but will resort to a velcro strap if it persists. * For some reason the spreader rotating bracket seems to be sticking (i.e spreaders are moving with the mast). Then letting go with a sudden shock that doesn't sound too good ! * Kite sheet shockcords are getting pulled back through the ratchets then preventing the sheet from being eased and causing hassle with kite drop. Have resolved this with small stainless eyes. * I need to tighten up the friction on the centreboard. Having tried a failed to do this on the water with a long screwdriver I checked with Rob E and you need to remove the board to get a purchase on the screws. This is a real hassle as it needs other bodies to lift the boat and care putting it down on its side etc. Therefore still not managed to do it and having to live with board raking back on the downwind legs and needing to remember to drop on the beat. These are VERY minor niggles and dont detract from what is proving to be a stunning and fun boat, particularly now I am getting to grips with the 10.2 in some breeze (LOTS of kicker !). Stupid question (I think I probably know the answer) - has anyone tried putting the 8.4 up without removing the stump and changing the rigging ( i.e not hoisted to the top of the mast) ? I seriously considered doing this between races at the weekend when I had just enough time to come ashore to change sails but not to unstep the mast etc. Is the bend curve all wrong ? Edited by ChrisC |
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laser193713 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 13 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 889 |
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The rooster mainsheet is pretty good, the way it works i think is that the outer takes most of the load unlike conventional ropes where the core does this. That in theory makes it tighter and reduces twisting. I used it for a little while in my laser but never really made a particularly big difference to twisting because when you have 10+ metres of the stuff in a cockpit that size it tends to naturally tie itself in knots around the mainsheet every time you tack. Best thing to do is just to keep it tidy up the beat if possible and make sure that before a windward mark you pull an armful of sheet up above your head to get as much free sheet as possible for the big dump as you go round the mark. My most recent mainsheet was the one that laser now supply which was developed by southern ropes for paul goodison, laser sell a red one but paul goodison uses a yellow version which is actually more grippy, and slightly thinner. I have never had a problem with using such a thin mainsheet so long as you are wearing good gloves (i wear builders gloves). To stop a rope twisting the best thing I have found to do is attach both ends in a way which stops them twisting, then the twists cannot get into the rope. So tie the end of it to the kite sheets or in the case of the laser the toestrap. If tied to the kite sheets it also keeps it in the boat and allows you to grab the kitesheets or mainsheet should you drop either of them by simply chasing down one end of the kitesheets which are sat next to you as you're hiking so no need to lean in and slow down and find the mainsheet in the bottom of the boat. This is how the test boat is set up that i used and it seems to work and I didnt have any problems with twisted sheets or strops round tillers. Perhaps elasticated strops will be a bimble to consider when I get my boat. |
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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So many similar issues there. I've tried the 8.4 on the 'long' mast (can't be asked to change it) and it looks and appears to set so much better the foot being clear of the boom, but I don't think it twists off as well (which you kind of need it to when the wind gets up as it inevitably did on me)*EDit also note kicker release issue which will need adjusting, although being higher up puts more pressure between the clew and the boom end, also keeping the leech tight. The spinnaker sheet round the frankenstein bolt I'm trying a windsurfing mast base protector which so far has been ok cept last time but so many things went wrong it doesn't count. Yes, also found hoisting the kite in waves and brisk breeze er interesting and two part as the boat death rolls on a dead run whilst you try to hoist it. Think I need a different technique, I use the Musto crook of the knee method which leaves two hands free, but the crook of the knee isn't quick enough to counter rolls and not sure I could let off enough kicker because of the long mast anyway. Also had the birds nesting kite halyard, but watch for it now and the rear bridle round the wiggle stick, but then I've had that on every boat I've owned, they were all rear sheeted, usually overcome it with a battlestick. My centreboard issue is of my own making, very surprised and pleased to get a call from RS, but it really isn't a warranty issue since I self inflicted it, probably the other week tryin to push the boat up a steep shingle shelf at high tide, and the cb dropping out and engaging in the beach as the boat slid back, which is probably why the screw threaded, it's an easy fix. I must say I'm pleased with the customer after sales service, a lot different from my previous experience, where they tried to charge me for what was most definitely warranty work when the whole of the bottom of the gel coat stripped off during a race and I still have unresolved rig issues which are unlikely to ever get fixed. Edited by G.R.F. |
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Oh do come to Hythe.. I'd just love to see how it launches and recovers. ![]() |
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Isn't Hythe like Eastbourne SC, onshore breakers and an 8 person landing party needed per boat? Sounds like a nightmare for any boat that isn't a windsurfer! I was going to ask if you were sailing your 100 backwards onto the beach to break the centreboard. I remember breaking a rudder off my ISO (back in the day) landing at Eastbourne, and people moan about Queen Mary launching Timg Edited by timg |
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