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Jon711 
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 Topic: Rule 42Posted: 25 Apr 10 at 8:57pm |
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Just checked the rules, and the appeals, there is no case relating to popping battens. But I feel I may have been sailing illegaly as I was, in effect pumping.
Unless I hear something to the contrary, I will have to retire... |
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Phil eltringham
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Posted: 25 Apr 10 at 10:25pm |
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As I have always been lead to understood it, you are allowed a single 'pump' to pop batterns after each tack or gybe. Which would stand to reason, in that anything you would gain from it you would have already lost in them not going on your way out of the manoevuer, if you are able to sail so well that you can actually make a noticeable gain out of tacking or gybing without popping the batterns first time and then getting drive by doing them afterwards then fair play, you are a far better sailor than anyone else will ever be
 . Best off working on a way in which they go as you come out of the corner first time and save the argument. That said there is specific reference to people tacking repetedly for no tactical reason as a way of trying to legitimise pumping, this is illegal under Rule 42 and I have seen people DSQ'd for this.
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Posted: 25 Apr 10 at 10:41pm |
You're kidding right? So are you really going to retire every light wind race that you have trouble popping your battens?? I really wouldn't worry about it. You're gaining no advantage and i'm sure everyone who sees you struggling with your sail is going to sympathize rather than protest you. Anyone who considers that cheating is taking the rules waaayyyyyy too far. Doug H |
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JimC
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Posted: 25 Apr 10 at 11:18pm |
I think that would be an immense over-reaction. If you really feel guilty about it then get someone to protest you, then take it to appeal so we can all get some clarification. |
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Little Monster
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Posted: 25 Apr 10 at 11:22pm |
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Jon As I understand it you can make further attempts to pop the batten through but would suggest that if you were to do it every tack or tack every 10 meters or so then you are guilty under Rule 42. We had a big lecture from the PRO before an event last year and whilst not getting a definative answer the inferance we all took was that as long as we were not gaining an advantage it was ok. Being, largely, a self policing sport its up to you to judge if you are getting an unfair advantage and your competition to challenge you if they think you are. Try a bit more kicker before the tack to stretch the leach Or get something without racks..... Cheers Edited by Little Monster |
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laser193713
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Posted: 26 Apr 10 at 4:25am |
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no need to retire, rule 42 cannot be protested by another sailor, it must be done by the PRO and his team. Obviously there is a skill to popping battens but you are not breaking a rule in what you are doing. At least not until the PRO says so. The best thing though is to expect the battens not to pop and to include the pump in the tack which is completely legal and you will never have a problem! |
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alstorer
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Posted: 26 Apr 10 at 6:58am |
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Can't protest rule 42? Eh?
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Lukepiewalker
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Posted: 26 Apr 10 at 7:59am |
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Indeed, sounds like someone has been misinformed.
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Posted: 26 Apr 10 at 8:28am |
They can, it's just very hard and would realistically require several witnesses. |
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Skiffybob
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Posted: 26 Apr 10 at 10:15am |
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Surely if the battens don't pop then you get no forward drive out of pumping anyway. The only opportunity to gain from it is on the singe occasion when they do finally pop, so I would think that there's not a problem in how mnay times it takes you to pop them. A good alternative to pumping them across is to stand up and give the sail a good hard slap/push just in front of the point of maximum draft. |
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