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ellistine ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 762 |
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Daft question perhaps but how do you know when a boat is
planing? I initially thought it was when it started to hum but I now know that's more the result of a crap foil. Assuming 'quiet' foils what are the indications that boat has just start to plane? |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661 |
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I think its one of those questions where the more you know about it the more difficult it is to come up with an answer! The older (maybe even wiser, but I doubt it) I get the less I think I understand the difference between planing and not planing. I don't think there's a hard and fast definition and I'm very sure there's not a single point at which a boat is or isn't planing. Its more a question of a range during which a boat is partially planing...
That doesn't help at all does it! Why do you want to know? |
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Matt Jackson ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Sep 04 Location: Darlington Online Status: Offline Posts: 962 |
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Thought I read an interesting definition in my Tasar manual years ago which was based on the position of the bow wave relative to the hull where (and this is where it gets a bit hazy) fully planing is when you overtake the bow wave. Sounds wrong when I re-read it. |
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ellistine ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 762 |
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Just trying to get to grips with some sail trim issues (jib sheet tension mostly) and from what I've been reading there's a distinction between sub-planing and planing. Edited by ellistine |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661 |
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OK, for that then, what you need is to know what the author of the article regarded as sub planing speed! For a lot of people the point is where the wake goes smooth and you get a wake line from the chines meeting somewhere aft of the transom. A powerboat racer, for instance, would regard planing as being a speed so high that there are only a tiny handful of dinghies capable of reaching it: in his terms most dinghies never get out of a semi-planing mode... |
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ellistine ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 762 |
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That sounds logical. I'll have a look out for them. Thanks. |
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ColPrice2002 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 25 Nov 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 222 |
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Hi, If you remember (?) - a "displacement" hull has to push the water aside as it sails. There is a formula - max speed = 1.3 times square root of the waterline length. Note speed in knots, length in feet and 1.3 is a factor that changes depending on the hull shape in question. So if you have a 16 ft boat (say a Wayfarer - for easy math!), max displacement speed is 1.3 x 4 = 5.2 knots. In a heavy yacht, there is no way that you can go faster (unless surfing) so you would adjust the sail area to sail at 5.2 knots. A saining dinghy, however, can "climb" out of the water and skin on the water. At this point, the hull isn't trying to push water aside, so the drag force reduces significantly, and the boat will plane. In a small dinghy, the transition can be dramatic (bow lifts out of the water, accelerates, "clean" wake). Just before planing, the dinghy will be making large bow & stern waves. Often there will be a high bow wave - with spray - not solid. The exact details will vary depending on the hull sections. HTH |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661 |
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Its *much* more complicated than that!! Nothing special happens exactly at the point of the Froudes law calculation, but this is the beginner's topic. Edited by JimC |
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ham4sand ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Jul 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 452 |
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there is something about it in highperformance sailing....not sure the exact details as havent got it with me but i think its something to do with passing the quarter-wave or something like that
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Boats which cannot plane are generally subject to the rule described, but boats which can plane will have a gradual transition between non planing and planing, which suggests that hard and fast rules on jib settings would be a mistake. Planing is one of those things which is difficult to define but blooming obvious when you do it! |
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