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    Posted: 16 Apr 10 at 8:08pm

Sorry, just getting fed up of only hearing of RS100's and D1's.  So I've started a thread for Blaze sailors to discuss one of the more exiting monosailed singlehanders (and GRF if you start talking assymetrics you're barred)

In actual fact, why not have a thread for every class in the country.  Come on guys get a website with a discussion group, and take it of a sailing forum that is for everyone..

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They are so commercially naive, not putting a kite on it.

It's a great boat and I love it, have folk queueing up to buy it but don't
actually want to let it go.

I saw a Vareo today up close when I picked up the 100 which it has to be
said is in another league, but back to the Vareo, it's what I wanted to buy
to practise single handing ahead of the RS100 instead of the Blaze, but
I'm so pleased I didn't, it looks such a knee breaker.

Horrible Superspars rig, ridges behind your legs to presumably increase
hiking pain, narrow, obviously a big guys boat. But I so should have
bought that Vareo spinnaker conversion and bunged it on the Blaze, it
was only the fact I was getting proper results for once down at the club
with a handicap that stopped me.

Anyway it's been a Blast (the Blaze) and I shall be (almost) sad to leave it
in the Boat Park tomorrow.
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How come some boats have red wings while others get nice carbon ones? Surely there is a bit of a weight saving?

The boat does not want a kite, that puts it into vareo/100/D1 (or whatever the others are called),  territory. Its only really competing with the 300 at the moment (IC is an aquired taste IMO). I quite fancy trying a Blaze just to see what the difference is but highly doubt it would tempt me away from my 300.

G.R.F - your slipping and getting all emotional on us, get a grip on yourself mate   

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James, why spoil a perfect boat by putting a kite on it??? I f you have not tried a Blaze I'm not too far away, you could take mine for a spin.... But are you man enough????

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The Blaze doesn't have a kite
  • wasn't designed to have one
  • wouldn't be easy to add one (nicely)
  • handful in a blow anyway
IMO Blaze does need a fair bit of breeze to get going (15knts+) but after that, can be sailed along way in to the 28-30knt range reasonably comfortably and awsome downwind in that kind of breeze, struggle to think of anything that's all that 'thrilling' sub 15knts anyway but big flat bottom does stick a fair bit in that wind range

Wings are great for leverage and give you a few seconds to react should you get a random header or similar but do hurt a fair bit once you've been hiking for a while and hiking pads are a must

Yes, it's heavier than it could be, yes it could be quicker with a carbon mast, yes it could be quicker with a kite, but it doesn't have these and shouldn't get them either (to keep the class together and moving forward), I see there are quite a few new ones getting built on an annual basis and 2nd hand-market seems to have a decent turnover also - so class must be in decent health?
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As asked earlier the reason some boats have carbon racks and some have ali racks is simply an age thing. When the rig was redesigned they made some other changes too. The original rack system had a tendancy to bend (and to be honest given how far forward you need to be you would fall off the nicely rounded ones).

So Topper (I believe driven by the class and with the blessing of the rights holders) came up with what you see today on the new boats.

Having experienced both there is very little to choose between them. I just think the carbon ones look nicer! There probably is a weight saving but when you think it is only the tube the tramp attaches to that is carbon (the rest of them are stil ali) the weight saving ir probably minimal.

You can buy a kit to convert your 'mk1' racks to the 'mk2' if you want.

I did love mine but it needed a bigger water than i sail on to get the best out of it. Was lovely in a bit of breeze though, flying past Lasers and Pahntoms with the helms hiking for all they are worth .

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It is too easy to get drawn in by the intentionally provocative here ... and we have our own very effective forum anyway. 

But 'handful in a blow' (!!)  .... the reverse is actualy the accepted position - it is an exceptional boat in breeze, simple,easy and very very powerful - try anything over 8-9kn, not that windy eh.  Heavy ?  Hulls pop out at 48-51kg before centreboard, wings added and fitout and carry correctors to take weight up to minimum 72kg.  Sticky ?  someone must have be doing something wrong there then .... er try moving forward when its light same as most other stuff.

No it was not intended to have a Spinnaker but the hull (esp width) would be suited but that is not the direction the class is going anyway - a carefully considered commercial as well as a CA decision.   So why do people still think it should be added ?  Why not on a Phantom, Solo, Supernova, Laser etc as well Enjoy your own class and welcome the choice you have.  Many of us think anything without proper wings or equipped with a trapeze cannot be that serious but we don't go around suggesting you should all have wings/wires added !

It is highly successful of course because it is a package that many really do want to sail.  We will not develop a spinnaker version of the Blaze but that does not mean we are not actively developing or planning spinnaker equipped boats.  Horses for courses.... or rather boats for (club) courses.

Yes we do have a failing - there are simply too few used boats available.  That is perhaps the most powerful endorsement of any successful and lasting design.  So if you know of one that might be available just get in touch.  In the meantime if you ever want to try one contact the CA or us and we'll sort out a trial. Its a genuine offer even if you are never likely to own one in the future.  We do not 'market' in the classical sense - all we do is to offer access to a fully sorted boat, if you like it you will think about it for the future and if it is not for you well at least you will know something firsthand about it.

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Carbon wing tubes ....

A few point of information here:

The current default is alloy for the Mk3 hulls - you can simply pay extra for carbon outer tubes if you value the look of them.  There is no weight advantage as we 'net' that minor amount out when new boats are weighted and correctors fitted to bring up to minimum.

On Mk2 hulls carbon outer tubes were standard as they helped minimise the overall weight.  Again they can look 'nice' but the weight advantage is relatively minor.

Mk1 hulls - originally fitted with all alloy tubes - many now upgraded or damage/replaced to later version.

The only carbon element ever in the wings has been the outer wing tube on each side.

My own view is that carbon looks 'nice' but adds nothing or very very little in the wings.  If you like the look of the stuff always value a carbon boom though !  All Mk2/3's were default supplied with a carbon boom and many Mk1s have been upgraded.

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Originally posted by blaze720

So why do people still think it should be added ? 


I don't suppose there are that many who do now since the RS100 class is
now full of people who did think it should have been added.

Amazing we're still all wrong though.

As to why,

1) The hull is big enough
2) It already has wings for more leverage
3)The mast is built to take it.

All academic now, the moment and the opportunity is lost.

Typical of an Industry where the customer is always wrong.
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We wish you well and rejoice in the fact that you have real choice.... But there really is more than one commmercial path out there.  You argued your case and the majority simply of owners did not agree with you.  We call them customers as well.

We were never going to 'dump' these existing customers either - that is the sort of approach that contributed to ruining board racing in the UK as a mass movement imho.    You simply cannot keep 'churning' paying customers many times before they discover the alternative joys of DIY or Golf.  Incremental improvement is fine but wholesale model change is less attractive.   Our spinnaker trials were on the Blaze were to test out possibilities and various deas on a generic singlehander platform -  and the lessons and conclusions are still very valid now.  

Enjoy yourself with whatever you sail .... you are taking it all far too seriously at the moment ... and its not even been windy yet.

Seriously come along to the Blaze NATIONALS in June or at least ONE Blaze meeting sometime - and see if you don't enjoy yourself ... I'm willing to bet you do.  Or sell it - you should get a good price.

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