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Steve411 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Sep 08 Location: Cheddar, Somerset, England Online Status: Offline Posts: 705 |
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Think we are highjacking this thread a bit but hopefully only (mainly) to help the 100 boys out a bit. Be interesting to hear feedback as to whether the 300 techniques do actually work in the 100 also. The mainsail sizes are pretty similar (100 = 10.2 sq m, 300 = 10sq m). Don't know if the mast tip was behind the transom but my body weight was certainly heading that way! Re: the burgee, I only use it downwind (running) but I use it a lot then as I really want to know whether I'm sailing by the lee or not (not an issue in the 100...). (Great pics Chris, by the way). Edited by Steve411 |
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Jamesd ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 01 Feb 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 377 |
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what other controls does a 100 have on the rig apart from kicker,
cunningham and outhaul? i see it has shrouds, can you initiate pre-bend with them or are they primarily there to stop mast inversion offwind? can you tenstion the rig? |
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Inland sea ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 19 Jul 07 Location: Rugby Online Status: Offline Posts: 290 |
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This image is very telling to me :-
![]() Great boat trim ![]() It looks like your kicker blocks are all most touching ie max kicker. In that wind ... does this mean you have enough range to be able to pull more kicker on when the wind really pipes up? What happens if you sheet hard so your block to block like a laser ... can you get it that low? I would suspect you might need an extra loop in the strops for when its uber windy so you can get even more kicker on? This is all laymens stuff here I could be well off the mark as it looks like the selden mast is a lot stiffer than a 300 mast and with the extra battern up top could make a huge difference. Edited by Inland sea |
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Rockhopper ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Nov 07 Location: Eastry Online Status: Offline Posts: 642 |
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Umm rs vareo has a fully batterned main at 8.88 sq meters |
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bert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Apr 05 Location: norwich usually Online Status: Offline Posts: 584 |
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I blew that picture up & it looks like the kicker blocks are only 1/2 way between the gnav roller & the boom - so a fair bit more to go |
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Jamesd ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 01 Feb 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 377 |
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Im 100% sure my 400 has a fully battened mainsail, as did my 200 when i had it. |
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Jamesd ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 01 Feb 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 377 |
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Heres my thoughts on how i would go about trying to tune the boat for
the first time. Presuming the shrouds are pretty much useless. The kicker and cunningham tension is just there to de-power the rig upwind. In say a force 3, when i can sail the boat full power, block to block on the mainsheet and flat i would go out there with a neutral mast ram position, i.e. the mast is sat in its natural position. if the boat wants to stall, the strops are probably too tight, ease them, but dont ease them so much the boom falls off the centreline (loss of height). Now sailing flat when you let go of the rudder does the boat head up quite alot or heaven forbid try and bear away (never really experienced that). if it wants to head up, the draft is too far aft, you can apply cunningham, lift the plate to equalise the COE, or wind the mast ram on/forward to initiate prebend. I would suggest that the ram is the best option. You are looking for a neutral helm ideally, ideally when upright the boat tracks on its own. That setting would be my initial basic fully powered up point and my starting point to work from. Next i would start loading the kicker as the wind comes on. to keep the boat tracking in a straight line, use the cunningham to neutralise the helm once more. once i got to a wind state where the kicker is doing jack and i cant actually centreline the boom without sacraficing heel, its past the time when you need to start considering raking the mast back (ram forward) in most boats you rarely rake much more than 4 inches so i would rake the tip of the mast back an inch and try the process again. thats just my thoughts on how i would do it. My thoughts are what the effect of increasing the mast tension via the shrouds would be. if you pull on the halyard and really drop the shroud pins down, so when you let go of the halyard, the shrouds are tensioned, what effects are that going to have? obviously its initiating prepend and ultimately depowering the rig, but to what extent. im waffling now haha |
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ham4sand ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Jul 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 452 |
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im not sure you want neutral helm as a little pressure on the tiller aids steering and feel in the boat. Some peoply also say that this helm loading means the rudder is doing dome of the lifting with the cetreboard. this makes the set-up more efficient. just my 2p
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Jon 707 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 10 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4 |
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Hey to the RS 100 massive,
Question, what happened to the Gucci double armed tiller as featured on the RS website? The tiller in the photos of boats delivered looks like a Vareo one. Did they bin that idea or is it an optional extra?? |
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Jamesd ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 01 Feb 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 377 |
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100pc neutral is very hard to achieve so you always end up with some 'weight' on the helm. I know some people prefer something to lean on, but my theory is that the boat is going to be fastest when everything is harmony, if you are even slightly fighting the boat, there must be some drag somewhere along the line. |
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