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    Posted: 10 Mar 10 at 5:06pm
Originally posted by rogerd

I would give her a home so I could be a future owner.

IT WAS BUILT IN ZEALAND SO SHOULD TECHANICALLY BE A "HE"

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Originally posted by G.R.F.

It's like kids in the playground isn't it?

Go on try this..

Dare you.

It'll make you feel great..

Cept it wont, it'll make you old and decrepit even sooner, you'll lose
whatever charisma you're clinging on to, catch dementia, start peeing
your pants and before you know it you'll be blocking the entire Alexandra
Palace access ramp having forgotten you've even got a trailer on your
ancient Morris Oxford 1957 model or what you're even doing there and
why.

And as for remembering where you last put it..

What's a 1957 Morris Oxford?  What I was driving at (geddit) was that I think you'll find your average Freddie sailor isn't as beardie as you might have thought...

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These days the average Freddie sailor is a 19 year old slightly hungover student. Much as it was when I was a 19 year old slightly hungover student...

These days, I'm a beardie.

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Originally posted by G.R.F.

I was the probably first person to make a boat out of Kevlar, or so those
those buggers at Dupont told us at the time.


Looking at the available info Bethwaite and partners seem to have been building Kevlar Tasars in 1975, but abandoned it in favour of glass around 1977. The same records don't make a claim to be the first to have used kevlar.

http://www.tasar.org/technical/kevlar_tasar.html

and

http://www.tasar.org/technical/Tasarstart.html

Kevlar seems to have been invented in 1965,

http://www2.dupont.com/Kevlar/en_US/index.html

First commercial exploitation maybe very early 70s.

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At the time Kevlar was being punted about as the next miracle fibre to
replace glassfibre, I seem to recall it had been used in the Military, bullet
proof vests, I think it was also a constituent part of chobham armour but
again, it was hearsay of the time.

Back then, what was going on 'down under' we wouldn't have been aware
of, the M25 had yet to be built and mobile phones didn't exist never mind
internet, most of this sort of intel was word of mouth.

How we got involved, we were trying to develop a small powerboat that
would pull a water skier around a fifty mile course in under an hour using
only a 50hp motor, and came across a boat design from a Guy calle Bo
Oldenburg, this thread prompted me to look him up, he lodged his patent
in the US office around the same time, but he'd already had succesful
trials of his stepped hull and chined design.
Patent pdf
We bought a GRP version, then with the help of a guy called David
Harper, we went up to Bolton or Burnley, somewhere oop North and not
far from the Dupont facility and one of their reps suggested using this
new cloth they'd just released..

Anyway the rest is as described, it didn't wet out well with either
Polystyrene or Epoxy resin fell in half and sank we had to revert back to
GRP, (Epoxy then wasn't like the stuff now, there was a place on IOW that
I got involved with much later, 79-80 building hollow epoxy aluminium
honeycomb sailboards, but that's another story.)
The other thing, Kevlar wasn't at all stiff, it's strength was more, impact
resistant, that G10 stuff is about the best application that uses it in fibre
form. I remember as the boat moved off the sides flexed, but it was light
and ultimately it did go fast and we achieved 48 mph with a skier prior to
that best speeds were sub 45 mph.

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Originally posted by rors

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What's a 1957 Morris Oxford? 




1957 Morris Oxford, every Firefly, Solo or Streaker sailors tow vehicle of
choice..
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Cool.
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They are still in production in India -  the Hindustan Ambassador, now with a facelift -  -not so cool.



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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Originally posted by rors

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What's a 1957 Morris Oxford? 



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1957 Morris Oxford, every Firefly, Solo or
Streaker sailors tow vehicle of
choice..


Don't worry you're not to old, as Peter and
Dawn Langdon have proved and also
incidentally so has Mike Arnold, legendary
Firefly sailor and the man who designed the Alto!
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Originally posted by Slippery Jim

Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Cherub Guy

'Flat Stanley' was the first dinghy to be built from kevlar foam composite.

I really don't think so: ISTR early Tasars were kevlar/foam some years before, and the first foam Cherubs were built in the late 1960s, although I have no especial memory of when kevlar came on the scene. A contemporary write up doesn't seem to regard the construction as being especially radical.

Wot! No pics??!?!?


Try now, I have added some pictures
If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right
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