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s.a.l.t.y ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Apr 08 Location: Costa del Essex Online Status: Offline Posts: 517 |
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I was chatting to Riki from RS at the show and he said
there is only one company that still produces that style of cloth and it is only used on the 200, 400 and 600s these days. So if the company decided to stop making it then those 3 classes would have to adopt a new style of sail, either with a carbon weave like the 100 and 300 sail or a kevlar weave like the 700. I would prefer the carbon, as black looks cooler than gold. |
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Neptune ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 09 Location: Berkshire United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1314 |
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Isn't the 600 cloth exactly the same as that used for the 400? they look similar. I am not sure what cloth is used for the 200 - is it lighter?
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Smight at BBSC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Jan 07 Location: Great Britain Online Status: Offline Posts: 1129 |
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The 600 sail is so expensive (apparently) because the material is no longer produce on the scale that it once was due to it being replaced with more advanced cloths. The current sail is certain to take a lot of punishment!
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Sam649 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 27 Jul 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 15 |
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i always liked the 600 sail. Plus in how many other classes can you still be competing with a 5 year old sail that gets used every weekend? ive even fallen onto the sail from the wing, and i came off worse. if i'd have done that with a 300 sail id have carried on through it. If second hand boats are costing arond £2000, that means a new sail would cost around a 3rd of the whole boat. (if the price stayed as it is now)
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Neptune ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 09 Location: Berkshire United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1314 |
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My point about the more "modern" 700 mainsail being teh same price as the less moder, but more robust 600 sail.
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But it wouldn't be cheaper. If you wan't cheaper, what you're really asking for is a sail that will get shagged quicker and then need replacing sooner. What is cheaper at first becomes a lot more expensive when you have to replace it twice as often. When it comes to material, no matter what it looks like, in the most part you really do get what you pay for. |
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Neptune ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 09 Location: Berkshire United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1314 |
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Merlinboy what would you do? Would you change the shape to make it easier to sail or would you just change the material to make it look more modern and perhaps cheaper to buy like has been done on the 300. As a reference a 700 mainsail is exactly the same price as a 600 and is near as make no difference the same size so its cosmetic change only then. |
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Merlinboy ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Jul 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3169 |
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Unfortunately although the sail on the 600 is probably the most robust sail out there, it is now making the boat look horribly out dated. I think a redesign would help bring, what is a great boat bang up to date. In modern materials it would also be one hell of a lot cheaper. |
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Neptune ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 09 Location: Berkshire United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1314 |
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I think you were the only one at Grafham directly wire to wire tacking Sam - you seemed pretty good at it too. The 600 main is really robust though - the 300 and 600 fabrics don't look like the they will last anywhere near as long and unless you are going to change the 600 to a softer sail like a 700 it just a cosmetic change. |
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Steve411 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Sep 08 Location: Cheddar, Somerset, England Online Status: Offline Posts: 705 |
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As well as looking better the new 300 main is also something like 25% cheaper than the old one. |
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