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    Posted: 03 Mar 10 at 12:26pm
Originally posted by I luv Wight

To make it more realistic, you both get the same amount of fuel - but only enough for the low power one to get round the track. Because in sailing you can only use 'so much' power, all the extra is spilled.

How about we wash the track down in oil as well and we'll see how he gets on with 300BHP.
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The first of two huge deliveries of new RS boats was shipped to Minorca Sailing’s base last week – meaning they will start the season with their greatest number of new RS’s ever, including RS200s, 400s, Fevas, Vareos and Q’BAs adding to the other RS classes already out there. You will even be able to sail the brand new RS100 at Minorca Sailing when two of them arrive May. Treat yourself - it’s fab – check out www.minorcasailing.co.uk to find out more.
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by I luv Wight

To make it more realistic, you both get the same amount of fuel - but only enough for the low power one to get round the track. Because in sailing you can only use 'so much' power, all the extra is spilled.

How about we wash the track down in oil as well and we'll see how he gets on with 300BHP.

The point is that they are different cars and will go at different speeds - yes, under some (exceptional) conditions (e.g., oily track or even just very wet) the result could be that the 1.6 wins the race - that dosen't matter to the argument here. 

If the boats with different sails have different performances, then they should have their own PYs for club racing.  This needn't have any effect on open events.  I really think we can all get what we want here

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This is of kind of my pont.  Why does it need to have 2 PY's??    

OK, well I'll race you round the Top Gear track then.  You can have a 1.6 litre Ford Focus and I'll have the 2.5 litre with 300 bhp, and we'll see who wins

 

 

Not quite as extreme as that though is it?  There is a smaller sail for lighter helms and a bigger sail for heavier.  To put it in your car context, think of it as a Lotus 7 vs a Porsche 911  The Lotus is lighter with less power but just as quick as the heavier Porka!  Equalised weight for power scenario!

 

Anyway, if its going to be two classes then two numbers makes sense the Rs100 and the RS100 XL.  I just wasn't buying into the 'its windy today I'll stick the small rig on and drop 10 PY points' vibe.

Sounds great, can't wait to have a go.
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Originally posted by Merlinboy

This is of kind of my pont.  Why does it need to have 2 PY's??    

OK, well I'll race you round the Top Gear track then.  You can have a 1.6 litre Ford Focus and I'll have the 2.5 litre with 300 bhp, and we'll see who wins

Not quite as extreme as that though is it?  There is a smaller sail for lighter helms and a bigger sail for heavier.  To put it in your car context, think of it as a Lotus 7 vs a Porsche 911  The Lotus is lighter with less power but just as quick as the heavier Porka!  Equalised weight for power scenario!

Anyway, if its going to be two classes then two numbers makes sense the Rs100 and the RS100 XL.  I just wasn't buying into the 'its windy today I'll stick the small rig on and drop 10 PY points' vibe.

Sounds great, can't wait to have a go.

No, you're right the difference is probably not that extreme.  But its a nice problem to have choosing between a Porsche and a Lotus

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Originally posted by asterix

If the boats with different sails have different performances, then they should have their own PYs for club racing.  This needn't have any effect on open events.  I really think we can all get what we want here

 

Thats fine as long as you don't change the rig halfway through the series.  If you do then you have to race off the faster PY like with the laser fleets.  The sails need to be clearly different otherwise the club race officers will never be able to police it!

My feelings on the matter are that if you start a club series in one rig, you should have to complete it in the same rig to get your result, if you change boats (or in this instane rig) then your results in the new rig should not count towards the series points! 

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Originally posted by Merlinboy

Originally posted by asterix

If the boats with different sails have different performances, then they should have their own PYs for club racing.  This needn't have any effect on open events.  I really think we can all get what we want here

Thats fine as long as you don't change the rig halfway through the series.  If you do then you have to race off the faster PY like with the laser fleets.  The sails need to be clearly different otherwise the club race officers will never be able to police it!

My feelings on the matter are that if you start a club series in one rig, you should have to complete it in the same rig to get your result, if you change boats (or in this instane rig) then your results in the new rig should not count towards the series points! 

yes, I think agree with that - its how things are done at my club.  It should be that people honestly declare which rig they sail with when signing on.



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The 2 sails are called "10.2" and "8.4". apart from looking diffent sizes, the 10.2 has a black "swoosh" near the clew and black sail numbers, and the 8.4 has a white swoosh and (we were considering) white sail numbers.

Then your race officer, finishing the first open with 10.2's and 8.4,s on the same course could say into his dictaphone: "white 104, black 107, etc". Easy for any race officer. would go in class rules etc.

what do we think?

 
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...on behalf of those who volunteer to do OOD duty at their clubs (hopefully not over-stepping the mark here) can I just say "thank you".  Refreshing to have some thought about such a simple, but apparently difficult to achieve, issue from LDC - GJ!

...as for those of you racing about without any numbers on your sails...
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