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    Posted: 27 Feb 10 at 12:24pm
There are no current class rules. James's and my earlier comments just
suggested a very simple system i.e use what you like, but stick to one or the
other handicap number for each event (or even better no handicaps as the
smaller sail could be faster in heavier conditions). I suspect that we all want
it to be clear, simple and effective. Unless there are huge numbers we
probably all want one start line.

Perhaps Demo Dave could comment on what the RS thoughts are?
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Whatever you guys says about the 300 rigs there is almost no speed difference. Once you get up to speed in the boat then the larger rig is more managable in the windy stuff. In drifers there is no difference. Light winds the light people are generally quicker whatever the rig. In chop and med-heavy winds the heavy guys pull away especially upwind. I use a big rig but thats only because of what was available at the time.

If i am honest then I don't see the need for 2 rigs. As long as the sail depowers as well as the 300 then the light guys will get used to it. Having 2 rigs just increases build costs. Wouldn't it be better to reduce costs and make the boat financially available to more people?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote haroosh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Feb 10 at 2:36pm

I dont see how 2 rigs increases build costs much at all. Its a different sail and a mast stump and longer rigging?

I unlike alot of you totally see the point and concept of the 2 rigs. In my opinion there is a big difference between a 8.4 and 10.2m squared area sail. If this had only been a 10.2 rig option I doubt very much if I would have gone for it. Whereas RS have opened up the boat to a wider range of users.

How we end up racing together can be worked out but I am sure the 2 rig options have added to the boats popularity.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Merlinboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Feb 10 at 2:51pm

Originally posted by turnturtle

As per Simon's post, it's early days still with no published class rules
yet. I would have thought more will follow from RS in due course, at
the moment it's speculation... One thing is for certain though, RS are
very committed to this project being punter-led, so dressing up
'opportunity' as 'confusion' is just a cheap shot Russ.

 

No Cheap shot intended Jimbo, you know me better then that!

 

I for one can see why you have the two rigs, but didn't understand why the boat should have two PY's, i also didn't understand the fleet splitting thing, or choosing a rig before an event malarkey, hence why i said it was all very confusing!  I obviously hadn't noticed that alot of this was just prospective and excited new owners talking and speculating.

EDIT: Not really sure i would need to have a shot at the 100, no hidden ultimatum, i sail a boat from the same family and have a genuine interest in the class.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Merlinboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Feb 10 at 2:54pm

Originally posted by SimonW99

There are no current class rules. James's and my earlier comments just
suggested a very simple system i.e use what you like, but stick to one or the
other handicap number for each event (or even better no handicaps as the
smaller sail could be faster in heavier conditions). I suspect that we all want
it to be clear, simple and effective. Unless there are huge numbers we
probably all want one start line.

Perhaps Demo Dave could comment on what the RS thoughts are?

 

That just clarifies my above point, i had not realised that most of the above was just speculation.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Slippery Jim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Feb 10 at 3:44pm
Originally posted by asterix

The problem is that if everyone gravitates to a big rig
that
could exclude the lighter sailors - that wasnt what RS expressed as the
objective
The rig should be so designed that the lighter sailers
can
depower the rig effciently, where the heavier crew can still be looking for
power. I wouldn´t limit sailors to choosing a rig per season/event since
after the first season sailing, most people will have made their choice as
to which rig is better for them and stick with it. I don´t want to start a
"Phantom-like" debate about yardstick banditry which might be caused
by this stance, but you´ll get oscillations in PY for the first few years
anyway, depending upon how many clubs place their returns and what
sort of demography the class develops. There´s my threpence ha´penny,
for what it´s worth.

Just get out on the water, sail and enjoy your new class of boat. Simples!


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Post Options Post Options   Quote asterix Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Feb 10 at 6:09pm

hear hear

nothing is fixed

and we dont even need to mention the Phantoms - no one here is seeking special advantage

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Merlinboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Feb 10 at 6:24pm

Looks really good mate, bet your grinning from ear to ear!

 

Think i have finsihed at Bowoor for the year now, boat is going in for some gel work this week , then i'm off at the winters the following week, might pop down the 21st for a play if you don't mind.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote ChrisC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Feb 10 at 6:34pm
Hi James. Great shots - looks like you were having fun !

What is the diagonal strip on mesh material on the deck just in front of the
shroud chainplates ?
Not now Kato (you fewl) !

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Merlinboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Feb 10 at 6:40pm
Its sail repair tape, i should imagine he has put it there to stop wear from a fitting, or rope.
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